Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s $21 trillion mistake

Oneuli said:
Because there's always a background mortality rate.

If the real-world results suggested systems like those of Canada (or Germany, etc.), would be worse overall, I wouldn't favor them. But the real-world results instead show that such systems produce both significantly lower per capita expenditures and significantly better public health outcomes. But, if you prefer an archaic profit-oriented healthcare system that produces demonstrably shittier results, why not just say so?
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It is always amusing when lying liberals bloviate about the real world while making up false narratives to support their moronic claims. :laugh:
 
countryboy said:
Then why are people dying while waiting for procedures? Why can't liberals ever just be honest? If you favor shitty, government-run health-care, just say so. Do you think making stuff up bolsters your position? Good fucking grief already.
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There are countries like German and Japan that have universal healthcare without long wait times.

In America, people die for lack of healthcare, or suffer chronic diseases that go untreated leading them to disability.

Why can't neocons ever be honest? They don't care that the government makes medical care incredibly expensive.
 
Truth Detector said:
It is true
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Prove it.

In reality, they CANNOT go to the front of any line because they lack the surgeons and specialized technology to get them out of the line.
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That's an irrational argument. Even if the positions are under-supplied, you can still shift people around in the line. It's similar to what we do in this country with people on the organ donor list. There aren't enough organs to go around, so you move up or down the list based on urgency.

That is why so many come to the US.
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They go all sorts of places. And our rich will be able to do the same if we move to a modern healthcare system. But the point is that such a system will produce better overall results at lower cost, as shown by real-world experience.
 
Oneuli said:
Prove it.
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Right after you prove that long waiting lists are not life threatening issues, you clueless dumbfuck.

Oneuli said:
That's an irrational argument.
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Stating a FACT is irrational? STFU!!! :laugh: Moron.

Oneuli said:
Even if the positions are under-supplied,
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It isn't an "IF" you dumb fuck; it is a FACT. I know, you're a moron and think that FACTS are irrational. :laugh:

Oneuli said:
you can still shift people around in the line. It's similar to what we do in this country with people on the organ donor list. There aren't enough organs to go around, so you move up or down the list based on urgency.
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Once again you dumb fuck; it isn't about shifting people in a line. It is about NOT HAVING enough physicians or the equipment. I know you like strawmen, but strawman claims and fabricated scenarios are not facts.

Oneuli said:
They go all sorts of places. And our rich will be able to do the same if we move to a modern healthcare system. But the point is that such a system will produce better overall results at lower cost, as shown by real-world experience.
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I see that you have lost the argument and also the point. Yay you! :clap: It's the POOR people who are fucked in socialist utopias you dumb fuck.
 
Bobb said:
There are countries like German and Japan that have universal healthcare without long wait times.
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Where is this nation of "German?" :laugh: The statement above is a LIE. What is it about Marxist leftists and their compunction to lie. Is it because their ideology is built on lies? YES, it is.

Bobb said:
In America, people die for lack of healthcare, or suffer chronic diseases that go untreated leading them to disability.
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The statement above is a LIE. What is it about Marxist leftists and their compunction to lie. Is it because their ideology is built on lies? YES, it is.

The irony of this moronic lie is that it impugns the claims made about Obamacare and exposes the lies that were used to pass it.

Bobb said:
Why can't neocons ever be honest? They don't care that the government makes medical care incredibly expensive.
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I’m glad you voted for her. We have two years of idiotic statements from her.
Hopefully she can convince her other socialist democrats to vote for free college and free healthcare and free housing and free energy and free, free, free.
I’m retired so its not coming out of my government paycheck.
If you voted for this lunatic you are probably unemployed waiting for all the free stuff.
 
Old Trapper said:
That VA crisis was first pointed out under Bush, and he did nothing. Now we have Trump, and the Repugnants that signed a new healthcare bill into law back in June, and with all of the fanfare it would allow. However, they have never funded it. We are still under the Veterans Choice Program. Additionally, while the Obama administration allowed Veterans to qualify for the Choice 40 program if they lived 39 miles, and not the required 40 miles, from a VA facility. Under Trump the ones living 39-40 miles away are being forced back on the Choice 30 program which has fewer benefits.

And vets are still dying, and being lied to asshole.
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And why wasn't if funded? Because McCain came back and voted against it. Likely causing them to lose the house.
 
Oneuli said:
Every advanced nation on earth is a "private option" for every other nation. For example, consider this story:

https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/heartache-for-injured-striker-lee-15875

That's about a striker from South Korea's national football team flying to Germany for surgery. He had the money to fly anywhere and get treatment, so he could have picked the US, but picked Germany because that's where the particular specialist considered the best for his condition works.

Wealthy Americans will also, sometimes, travel abroad for healthcare, when the specialists they want are elsewhere. For example, Kobe Bryant famously had his knee treated in Germany. Peyton Manning, A-Rod, and Andrew Luck also all have traveled to Europe for medical treatment. For those with money, the planet effectively functions as a single common market for healthcare, with people going wherever the best specialists, clinics, or experiments for their particular problem are located.

However, what sets the US apart is that the "private option" is the only "option," at least for those who are under 65 and haven't earned government care by way of the military, etc. By comparison, in other wealthy nations, you have a choice of paying out of pocket or getting high-quality care at low- or no-cost, within the government run, or heavily-government-controlled public system.
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Seriously? You don't think anyone is on medicaid?
 
Bourbon said:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is YOUR Problem, so I'll let you do all the Whining :rofl2:
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An ignorant, socialist crackpot, is my problem? My only problem with AOC is that there are still prospective voters out there who have never heard of her, or heard her speak/gaffe. I want the voters to become well-acquainted with AOC, so that they may come to view her as the face of the DNC.
 
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