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They're gonna put it down said:
usfreedom, you don't know what you are talking about. look at earlier in this thread (nearly 3 days ago) where I clearly laid out, with no op-edding, just the facts, where icedancer was wrong, and why we banned usaloyal. I talked about how usaloyal was warned multiple times. Then like a mouthbreather ID continues to insist that usaloyal wasn't, even while admitting that damo alone warned her twice.

I mean . . . :palm:

In any case, I can speak however I wish, I posted my official comments and laid out the entire case the day usaloyal was banned 6 months ago, and I have followed up many times sense then. I have spoken "officially" and in "mod capacity" on the situation too many times to count. I am allowed to op-ed now, because as I said, it's been 6 months, and usaloyal is a shade, a memory, and no longer relevant to JPP.



I fully support the checks and balances of the users.
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This is the same guy that pursued and harassed Christie over a statement that she made eons ago on the Netscape/AOL board. He is incapable of letting anything go, he is just wired that way.
 
icedancer2theend said:
It matters because you stated she was warned numerous times...she was not. Nice edit of context Mr. Bias. But yeah, grind, she couldn't stay out of it- /sarcasm
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If you ignore the times that I deleted her posts and posted in the thread to quit it, put the warning in as the edit reason, etc. you could possibly be right, but the reality is she was warned copiously, considerably, abundantly, and almost constantly. That you can't see the warnings added to threads or put in the edit reason, etc. gives us reason to understand why you think you haven't been warned before... It is, however considerably, principally, and absolutely untrue.

Everybody has been warned. Sometimes directly, sometimes with announcements reiterating rules, sometimes by PM, sometimes by deletion, sometimes by edit, sometimes by closed threads when the crap is going too far... That some people are too thick to get it doesn't change that absolutely everybody on this site knows that it is not okay to harass, threaten, etc. using personal information whether openly or in "code" that can only be deciphered if you know the source of information, or by PM... on and on you all have been warned.

I want to make it clear here, that this too is a warning. It clarifies and informs, it tells you what we have done, how we have tried repeatedly to just get people to quit, how we constantly attempt to keep people around rather than "permaban", etc.

The reality is, Loyal was warned waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than twice.
 
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Aoxomoxoa said:
As I said before, it was tacit rather than explicit permission. He was ecstatic that I endorsed his music and said so on this board, so please don't ask me to find it for you again. You went off half cocked, as is your wont, and are now desperately backtracking to save what's left of your dignity.
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damo? your thoughts....
 
Yurt said:
we are not talking about poet. do you find it acceptable that tom gave me poet's personal information?
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I've answered the question previously, and am done with the topic. You have a real problem letting things go.
 
Damocles said:
I've answered the question previously, and am done with the topic. You have a real problem letting things go.
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no. you have a real problem with condemning tom. pretty weird if you ask me. tom thinks you support him. and you won't disavow his belief. why is that?
 
They're gonna put it down said:
yes... she was, by damo.

Her posts were also edited/deleted, and we made posts in threads that you may not be counting as "official warnings" even though that's exactly what they are.

(and I am accepting what you are saying at face value, i probably did tell her warned her too, though I don't remember) why is this hard for you to understand? us mods don't act independently. sometimes a post will be reported and one of us is the one that goes off to warn/delete etc.

You keep bringing up christie, but if you go back to the thread where we talk about usaloyal behing banned, we emphasize very clearly it wasn't JUST about one incident, but the culmination of everything as well. Christie has no where near the violations that usaloyal (or you) have. And we almost never perma ban for a solitary offense. Your conservative buddy was even allowed to come back after posting a picture.

usaloyal definitely couldn't stay out of it. And everyone knows it. We were 100% open for our reasons in banning her, posted it all over the forum as to why.
Everyone has heard the things you have said about christie too.

But guess what? No one has written to us, or said much of anything about her being gone, except you, and maybe one other person. The whole board knows what's up. Your theories have been categorically rejected across the the site by pretty much everyone. Sorry your scumbag friend is gone, maybe they shouldn't have broken the rules
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Oh fer cripey sakes. Your nose is so far up Darla's ass your tongue's sticking out her nostrils.

Loyal gave as good as she got and yes, sometimes better. That's why Christie and Darla were obsessed, pissed off to the nth degree, ready to go so far as to even placate Damo, or as is known in the real world "kiss his ass rosey".

The only reason you didn't know about the personal violations and what Christie did under cover was because Loyal didn't write you guys and complain.

Do you ever notice that most of the complaining comes from the left, you little biased bootlicker?

Never mind that. Loyal owned her shit. Something I might add none of the Legion of Lefty Losers will ever do, but just because she didn't bring it to your attention DOES NOT mean it wasn't done.

Here's the facts. I have the pictures of the caller ID of Darla calling my home. Both her cell phone number and the number of her mother because the psycho called my house three times. Once very early in the morning because the stupid bimbo forgot to account for the time difference from the East Coast to the West because she's so fucking smart she surprises her own self. She left a lengthy message for my husband, all of which is recorded and given to the police. The first time she called was a few months prior, I answered and she asked for my then MINOR daughter, then hung up after she realized it was my home.

These are very REAL facts. Not a bunch of saved up emails and pm's that they pieced together to demonstrate some pretty pathetic circumstantial evidence that wouldn't fly with 99% of the thinking person's world.

Of course Damo's March 1, 2012 post about clarifying what you Einstein's call personal info paves the way for you to make a biased decision based on "facts" that could never stand the test of legal scrutiny. The very fact that you will not be able to demonstrate the veracity of this material with anything directly from me (i.e. date, time stamps, links, or anything that shows a trail from my computer to this info) won't bother you as you slander and libel my name. You all think you've covered your ass by saying: "if we feel there is enough evidence to support hacking" we will ban ID.

Will you ever be able to prove the information Christie and Darla have sent has not been altered in any way to support their accusations? Will you be able to definitively prove that I hacked their emails?

You and I both know the answer to that, Mr. Biased Bootlicker, so take your sanctimonious "invisible moderators" BS and stick it straight up Darla's eager ass.

You can't even be upfront and out in the open as a mod, as a mod should be. That's why you hide because you know you are compromised and this whole thing excites your feminine side.
 
They're gonna put it down said:
everything I have said is 100% accurate. I have a problem with icedancers revisionist history, and I wont let her get away with it. Additionally, given that usaloyal was a very despicable poster, I have no problem being so ... smug, that she finally got hers.

Additionally, I have explained things as "modgrind" many many times. We have my official statements, not laced with op-edding. but now usaloyal has been banned for half a year. she's no longer relevant and i don't feel the need to tip toe around on eggshells anymore.
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Everything you have said is an edited revisionist bunch of hooey. What I said and what you are either too stupid and or intellectually dishonest to address, is that I SAID- YOU never warned loyal as you claimed. Damo can yammer on that he warned her copiously- but again, that is an enormous exaggeration- In addition, editing posts and not telling someone you have done so and explained why, is NOT a warning. I brought this up because of the comparison of MM and Loyal and you claims of "fairness" and how many numerous times she was warned- I call that bullshit now as well as then. What you did to loyal was show a bias-

I am sure you feel smug- little piss ants are just the kind of people who are all full of smugness- You have never tip-toed you retard.
 
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Yurt is obviously a fan of Arthur Schopenhauer, he has deployed virtually all of his tenets to win an argument.


  1. Carry your opponent's proposition beyond its natural limits; exaggerate it. The more general your opponent's statement becomes, the more objections you can find against it. The more restricted and narrow his or her propositions remain, the easier they are to defend by him or her.
  2. Use different meanings of your opponent's words to refute his or her argument.
  3. Ignore your opponent's proposition, which was intended to refer to a particular thing. Rather, understand it in some quite different sense, and then refute it. Attack something different than that which was asserted.
  4. Hide your conclusion from your opponent till the end. Mingle your premises here and there in your talk. Get your opponent to agree to them in no definite order. By this circuitious route you conceal your game until you have obtained all the admissions that are necessary to reach your goal.
  5. Use your opponent's beliefs against him. If the opponent refuses to accept your premises, use his own premises to your advantage.
  6. Another plan is to confuse the issue by changing your opponent's words or what he or she seeks to prove.
  7. State your proposition and show the truth of it by asking the opponent many questions. By asking many wide-reaching questions at once, you may hide what you want to get admitted. Then you quickly propound the argument resulting from the opponent's admissions.
  8. Make your opponent angry. An angry person is less capable of using judgement or perceiving where his or her advantage lies.
  9. Use your opponent's answers to your questions to reach different or even opposite conclusions.
  10. If your opponent answers all your questions negatively and refuses to grant any points, ask him or her to concede the opposite of your premises. This may confuse the opponent as to which point you actually seek them to concede.
  11. If the opponent grants you the truth of some of your premises, refrain from asking him or her to agree to your conclusion. Later, introduce your conclusion as a settled and admitted fact. Your opponent may come to believe that your conclusion was admitted.
  12. If the argument turns upon general ideas with no particular names, you must use language or a metaphor that is favorable in your proposition.
  13. To make your opponent accept a proposition, you must give him or her an opposite, counter-proposition as well. If the contrast is glaring, the opponent will accept your proposition to avoid being paradoxical.
  14. Try to bluff your opponent. If he or she has answered several of your questions without the answers turning out in favor of your conclusion, advance your conclusion triumphantly, even if it does not follow. If your opponent is shy or stupid, and you yourself possess a great deal of impudence and a good voice, the trick may easily succeed.
  15. If you wish to advance a proposition that is difficult to prove, put it aside for the moment. Instead, submit for your opponent's acceptance or rejection some true proposition, as though you wished to draw your proof from it. Should the opponent reject it because he or she suspects a trick, you can obtain your triumph by showing how absurd the opponent is to reject a true proposition. Should the opponent accept it, you now have reason on your own for the moment. You can either try to prove your original proposition or maintain that your original proposition is proved by what the opponent accepted. For this, an extreme degree of impudence is required.
  16. When your opponent puts forth a proposition, find it inconsistent with his or her other statements, beliefs, actions, or lack of action.
  17. If your opponent presses you with a counter proof, you will often be able to save yourself by advancing some subtle distinction. Try to find a second meaning or an ambiguous sense for your opponent's idea.
  18. If your opponent has taken up a line of argument that will end in your defeat, you must not allow him or her to carry it to its conclusion. Interrupt the dispute, break it off altogether, or lead the opponent to a different subject.
  19. Should your opponent expressly challenge you to produce any objection to some definite point in his or her argument, and you have nothing much to say, try to make the argument less specific.
  20. If your opponent has admitted to all or most of your premises, do not ask him or her directly to accept your conclusion. Rather draw the conclusion yourself as if it too had been admitted.
  21. When your opponent uses an argument that is superficial, refute it by setting forth its superficial character. But it is better to meet the opponent with a counter argument that is just as superficial, and so dispose of him or her. For it is with victory that your are concerned, and not with truth.
  22. If your opponent asks you to admit something from which the point in dispute will immediately follow, you must refuse to do so, declaring that it begs the question.
  23. Contradiction and contention irritate a person into exaggerating his or her statements. By contractiong your opponent you may drive him or her into extending the statement beyond its natural limit. When you then contradict the exaggerated form of it, you look as though you had refuted the orginal statement your opponent tries to extend your own statement further than you intended, redefine your statement's limits.
  24. This trick consists in stating a false syllogism. Your opponent makes a proposition and by false inference and distortion of his or her ideas you force from the proposition other propositions that are not intended and that appear absurd. It then appears the opponent's proposition gave rise to these inconsistencies, and so appears to be indirectly refuted.
  25. If your opponent is making a generalization, find an instance to the contrary. Only one valid contradiction is needed to overthrow the opponent's proposition.
  26. A brilliant move is to turn the tables and use your opponent's arguments against him or herself.
  27. Should your opponent surprise you by becoming particularly angry at an argument, you must urge it with all the more zeal. Not only will this make the opponent angry, it may be presumed that you put your finger on the weak side of his or her case, and that the opponent is more open to attack on this point than you expected.
  28. This trick is chiefly practicable in a dispute if there is an audience who is not an expert on the subject. You make an invalid objection to your opponent who seems to be defeated in the eyes of the audience. This strategy is particularly effective if your objection makes the opponent look ridiculous or if the audience laughs. If the opponent must make a long, complicated explanation to correct you, the audience will not be disposed to listen.
  29. If you find that you are being beaten, you can create a diversion that is, you can suddenly begin to talk of something else, as though it had bearing on the matter in dispose. This may be done without presumption if the diversion has some general bearing on the matter.
  30. Make an appeal to authority rather than reason. If your opponent respects an authority or an expert, quote that authority to further your case. If needed, quote what the authority said in some other sense or circumstance. Authorities that your opponent fails to understand are those which he or she generally admires the most. You may also, should it be necessary, not only twist your authorities, but actually falsify them, or quote something that you have invented entirely yourself.
  31. If you know that you have no reply to an argument that your opponent advances, you may, by a fine stroke of irony, declare yourself to be an incompetent judge.
  32. A quick way of getting rid of an opponent's assertion, or throwing suspicion on it, is by putting it into some odious category.
  33. You admit your opponent's premises but deny the conclusion.
  34. When you state a question or an argument, and your opponent gives you no direct answer, or evades it with a counter question, or tries to change the subject, it is a sure sign you have touched a weak spot, sometimes without knowing it. You have as it were, reduced the opponent to silence. You must, therefore, urge the point all the more, and not let your opponent evade it, even when you do not know where the weakness that you have hit upon really lies.
  35. This trick makes all unnecessary if it works. Instead of working on an opponent's intellect, work on his or her motive. If you succeed in making your opponent's opinion, should it prove true, seem distinctly to his or her own interest, the opponenent will drop it like a hot potato.
  36. You may also puzzle and bewilder your opponent by mere bombast. If the opponent is weak or does not wish to appear as ife he or she has no idea what you are talking about, you can easily impose upon him or her some argument that sounds very deep or learned, or that sounds indisputable.
  37. Should your opponent be in the right but, luckily for you, choose a faulty proof, you can easily refute it and then claim that you have refuted the whole position. This is the way which bad advocates lose a good case. If no accurate proof occurs to the opponent or the bystanders, you have won the day.
  38. A last trick is to become personal, insulting and rude as soon as you perceive that your opponent has the upper hand. In becoming personal you leave the subject altogether, and turn your attack on the person by remarks of an offensive and spiteful character. This is a very popular trick, because everyone is able to carry it into effect.
 
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They're gonna put it down said:
usfreedom, you don't know what you are talking about. look at earlier in this thread (nearly 3 days ago) where I clearly laid out, with no op-edding, just the facts, where icedancer was wrong, and why we banned usaloyal. I talked about how usaloyal was warned multiple times. Then like a mouthbreather ID continues to insist that usaloyal wasn't, even while admitting that damo alone warned her twice.

I mean . . . :palm:

In any case, I can speak however I wish, I posted my official comments and laid out the entire case the day usaloyal was banned 6 months ago, and I have followed up many times sense then. I have spoken "officially" and in "mod capacity" on the situation too many times to count. I am allowed to op-ed now, because as I said, it's been 6 months, and usaloyal is a shade, a memory, and no longer relevant to JPP.



I fully support the checks and balances of the users.
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Do as you wish.
I was only suggesting a probablility as to why you aren't taken seriously.
If it makes you comfortable respoinding the way you do, continue to do so; but then you only have yourself to blame, if you appear to be one sided and dishonest.
 
icedancer2theend said:
Oh fer cripey sakes. Your nose is so far up Darla's ass your tongue's sticking out her nostrils.

Loyal gave as good as she got and yes, sometimes better. That's why Christie and Darla were obsessed, pissed off to the nth degree, ready to go so far as to even placate Damo, or as is known in the real world "kiss his ass rosey".

The only reason you didn't know about the personal violations and what Christie did under cover was because Loyal didn't write you guys and complain.

... just because she didn't bring it to your attention DOES NOT mean it wasn't done.
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I'll have to search the smilies for a bigger eyeroll because this one doesn't do justice to the above steaming load.

:rolleyes: What, pray tell, personal info did we divulge about loyal?

Answer: NONE. Zero, zip, zilch, nada, nil.

Everything we said to her was in response to her insults in the forum. She called me a horse, I called her a Shar-pei, yada yada yada.

And that is why loyal never complained or contacted the mods; the only possible thing she could complain about was something we emailed in the sting (i.e. what Christie did under cover), but of course loyal could never say that because it would be an admission of hacking. It's also the reason why you never contacted the mods and linked up to this supposed personal info about loyal.

And as far as that crap about a picture on your caller ID, two words will suffice: spoof card.

Oh yeah, that reminds me, I have a pic on my caller ID of a certain Washington state phone number....
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
As I said before, it was tacit rather than explicit permission. He was ecstatic that I endorsed his music and said so on this board, so please don't ask me to find it for you again. You went off half cocked, as is your wont, and are now desperately backtracking to save what's left of your dignity.
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Did he also express how "estatic" he was, that you were giving out links to his personal websites?
 
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