All this and vacations too....wow

NOVA

U. S. NAVY Veteran
http://www.wvec.com/news/local/US-Second-Fleet-in-jeopardy-as-DoD-trims-budget-101368049.html

NORFOLK -- The U.S. Second Fleet, which trains and certifies all strike groups before deployment and employs 348 active and reserve military personnel, civilian employees and contractors, is in jeopardy as the Department of Defense continues to trim its budget.

If the Second Fleet were to be shut down, hundreds of jobs could be lost in the Hampton Roads area.
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/38826988

The Dow Jones Industrial Average will lose about half of its value over the next couple of years as it follows a Nikkei-like pattern of several sharp rallies in an overall decline, according to Charles Nenner, founder and president of Charles Nenner research.
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Home sales plunge 27 pct. to lowest in 15 years

.... with the help of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, Obama is setting new records....
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Obama ...crippling the military and causing higher unemployment....killing the stock market..and presiding over a housing market disaster.....this guy knows how to destroy a nation and don't even work up a sweat doing it.....
 
http://www.wvec.com/news/local/US-Second-Fleet-in-jeopardy-as-DoD-trims-budget-101368049.html

NORFOLK -- The U.S. Second Fleet, which trains and certifies all strike groups before deployment and employs 348 active and reserve military personnel, civilian employees and contractors, is in jeopardy as the Department of Defense continues to trim its budget.

If the Second Fleet were to be shut down, hundreds of jobs could be lost in the Hampton Roads area.
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/38826988

The Dow Jones Industrial Average will lose about half of its value over the next couple of years as it follows a Nikkei-like pattern of several sharp rallies in an overall decline, according to Charles Nenner, founder and president of Charles Nenner research.
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Home sales plunge 27 pct. to lowest in 15 years

.... with the help of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, Obama is setting new records....
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Obama ...crippling the military and causing higher unemployment....killing the stock market..and presiding over a housing market disaster.....this guy knows how to destroy a nation and don't even work up a sweat doing it.....

Hey if your all for small government and less spending why shouldn't we start with cutting military spending? I thought you were opposed to the US being the worlds policeman. Why shouldn't those countries pick up the tab for their defence instead of us? That way we can reduce our military budget to something that is sustainable and we can then pay off our national debt.

Or how about this. Each year we charge each one of our allies the billions of dollars plus 10% that we spend on them for services rendered by the US military in their defense?
 
Hey if your all for small government and less spending why shouldn't we start with cutting military spending? I thought you were opposed to the US being the worlds policeman. Why shouldn't those countries pick up the tab for their defence instead of us? That way we can reduce our military budget to something that is sustainable and we can then pay off our national debt.

Or how about this. Each year we charge each one of our allies the billions of dollars plus 10% that we spend on them for services rendered by the US military in their defense?
Because the most important duty of the government is to protect the nation from our enemies.....
 
Because the most important duty of the government is to protect the nation from our enemies.....

Tell us what enemies we have that require such a large military? There is no more cold war threat of a huge war. The threat now is terrorism.

If we would stop being the world's policeman, and stop meddling in the affairs of other nations, we could cut our military down significantly.
 
The biggest military in the world isn't looking to 'defend' us.

"Project for the New American Century is a neo-conservative think-tank that promotes an ideology of total U.S. world domination through the use of force. The group embraces and disseminates an ideology of faith in force, U.S. supremacy, and rejection of the rule of law in international affairs.

The group's core ideas are expressed in a September 2000 report produced for Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, and Lewis Libby entitled Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century. The Sunday Herald referred to the report as a "blueprint for U.S. world domination."

http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/neo-conservatism/pnac.html

Can't take over the world with no military, huh Bravo?
 
The biggest military in the world isn't looking to 'defend' us.

"Project for the New American Century is a neo-conservative think-tank that promotes an ideology of total U.S. world domination through the use of force. The group embraces and disseminates an ideology of faith in force, U.S. supremacy, and rejection of the rule of law in international affairs.

The group's core ideas are expressed in a September 2000 report produced for Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, and Lewis Libby entitled Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century. The Sunday Herald referred to the report as a "blueprint for U.S. world domination."

http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/neo-conservatism/pnac.html

Can't take over the world with no military, huh Bravo?

Yeah..gonna take over the world....with Cheney, Rummy, Bush,...Libby..maybe even dig up Reagan to help.......make Rush world President and Beck VP....
Germany, France, Japan, Korea, ....they won't get away again....
Canada and Mexico....we've almost got them....
Now that we're enslaving the folks of Iraq and Afghanistan, India will be a breeze.
It should be all over by the end of August.

(AAhhh, to llive in your world, the world of the pinheads must be entertaining)
 
Because the most important duty of the government is to protect the nation from our enemies.....
Well Fine....but where is it written that we need to Protect, England, France, Germany, Japan, The Philippines, Korea, Tawain, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Israel, Egypt, Panama, etc, etc? Also how does invading oil rich nations with imperalist designs qualify as "defending one self"?

How about if we let these nations pay for their own defense and we use the extra money to pay off our debt and then cut our military down to something reasonable that we need just to protect our selves and not the rest of the bloody damned world or is there some other oil rich nation you plain on invading? Indonesia maybe?

How about we start cutting spending there? I thought you were serious about this issue of debt?
 
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Tell us what enemies we have that require such a large military? There is no more cold war threat of a huge war. The threat now is terrorism.

If we would stop being the world's policeman, and stop meddling in the affairs of other nations, we could cut our military down significantly.
and reduce our selves as a target of terrorist too.
 
Because the most important duty of the government is to protect the nation from our enemies.....

Hey, not sure if you're keeping up w/ current events there bravs, but our foremost enemy right now doesn't have "armed forces"; all they want to do is bankrupt us.

And that's exactly what our bloated defense budget is doing. Guess you missed what happened to the Soviets.

Why do you want to see America defeated?
 
Certainly, all the victims of terrorism have been world policemen. :rolleyes:
Come on Annie. Have you been abroad lately? Do you have any idea of the resentments our arrogant unilateralist and domineering foreign policy have earned us? Do you really honestly and truely believe this idiotic pablum that "They hate us for our freedoms"?

It just seems common sense to me that if you're not going around creating resentment then you're just not going to be as big of a target. Am I wrong?
 
Well Fine....but where is it written that we need to Protect, England, France, Germany, Japan, The Philippines, Korea, Tawain, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Israel, Egypt, Panama, etc, etc? Also how does invading oil rich nations with imperalist designs qualify as "defending one self"?

How about if we let these nations pay for their own defense and we use the extra money to pay off our debt and then cut our military down to something reasonable that we need just to protect our selves and not the rest of the bloody damned world or is there some other oil rich nation you plain on invading? Indonesia maybe?

How about we start cutting spending there? I thought you were serious about this issue of debt?
Where is it written?
SEATO...NATO....OAS...ANZUS...and numerous other treaties the United States has entered into over the years.....

invading oil rich nations ?...You might want to contact our Sec. of State, and other Dems. that voted for the war and could answer better than I...

As far as the rest of your post...I think there is a suggestion box in the Capitol.....
The US is about the 8th largest military in the world now, about 3.3 million, I think and I don't really have the expertise to make the call on how big it needs to be to protect us from our foes....and that list is not small by any means...

Iran is about 11.8 million strong
N. Korea about 8.5 million
Russia about 3.8 million
 
Where is it written?
SEATO...NATO....OAS...ANZUS...and numerous other treaties the United States has entered into over the years.....

invading oil rich nations ?...You might want to contact our Sec. of State, and other Dems. that voted for the war and could answer better than I...

As far as the rest of your post...I think there is a suggestion box in the Capitol.....
The US is about the 8th largest military in the world now, about 3.3 million, I think and I don't really have the expertise to make the call on how big it needs to be to protect us from our foes....and that list is not small by any means...

Iran is about 11.8 million strong
N. Korea about 8.5 million
Russia about 3.8 million
OK, so you're not serious about reducing spending. You won't let us touch your golden pillar the military. Fine then, how about we raise taxes then to pay for all this spending? Which, btw, is more then the rest of the world combined?

So how about that then? Let's keep our current foreign policy and military commitments but let's raise taxes to pay for that. Is that ok with you?
 
Hey, not sure if you're keeping up w/ current events there bravs, but our foremost enemy right now doesn't have "armed forces"; all they want to do is bankrupt us.

Well, I'm not talking about Obama and the Democrat Party right now....but I certainly agree with you....and we are losing that battle....thats what socialism and the 'cradle to grave' mentality will do....but we can't defend ourselves from one enemy by surrendering ourselves to the other....
I 'd rather be broke than dead.

And that's exactly what our bloated defense budget is doing. Guess you missed what happened to the Soviets.

Why do you want to see America defeated?
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"You might want to contact our Sec. of State, and other Dems. that voted for the war and could answer better than I..."

I still have to shake my head in appreciation every time I read this kind of sentiment from the bravs.

If I had bet him a million 7 years ago that he'd be saying that, he would have laughed. He'd have still been in his "Dems are on the wrong side of history" mode....
 
"I 'd rather be broke than dead"

Bravs - when we lose superpower status, it will be economically, not militarily.

You're pretty behind the times.
 
OK, so you're not serious about reducing spending. You won't let us touch your golden pillar the military. Fine then, how about we raise taxes then to pay for all this spending? Which, btw, is more then the rest of the world combined?

So how about that then? Let's keep our current foreign policy and military commitments but let's raise taxes to pay for that. Is that ok with you?
Present military spending is about 20% of the total budget.
But some slick spinners have their own "special" ways of presenting it....
like including the VA and debt....
 
"I 'd rather be broke than dead"

Bravs - when we lose superpower status, it will be economically, not militarily.

You're pretty behind the times.

Money isn't protecting the troops in Afghanistan, didn't spare the dead in Iraq or Korea or Veitnam.....
and if you open those baby blues, you'll see we are on the verge of bankrupcy right now, and losing that economic battle ....
how much of our debt do you think the world will accept before the SHTF.

The illegals from the South alone are bringing the country to its knees slowly but surely.
 
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How can anyone who is serious about reducing spending & the deficit not talk about the need to slash defense?

It's incomprehensible to me. Our defense budget is bloated & out-dated.
 
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