American Corps. fighting against improved labor rights/working conditions in China

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Cypress

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Hell, that's why they outsourced their american jobs to china: sweatshop labor conditions, no unions, no workers right, no federal OSHA to enforce safe work conditions. Now they're fighting tooth and nail, against new Chinese laws which empower labor unions, and improve work conditions.

Ford, GE, Microsoft, Dell, American Chamber of Commerce, are some of the companies fighting Chinese efforts on aiding unions. How sweet of them.



Global companies fight Chinese effort on aiding unions

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/12/business/sweat.php
 
Just like we did in our colonies err proctectates...
Unrestricted capitalilsm leads to slavery of one fashion or another.
 
When, in the past, have any corporations supported unions? (Yeah, I know there have to be one or two examples, but really... Corps on a whole have never supported unions).
 
Damocles said:
When, in the past, have any corporations supported unions? (Yeah, I know there have to be one or two examples, but really... Corps on a whole have never supported unions).
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I'm not sure that's really the point of the article. No one's asking corporations to "support" unions.

What american corporations are doing is actively lobbying against very modest labor reforms in china. And that's a nation that really needs some nominal level of workers rights.

Basically, I think this encapsulates everything that is wrong with trade agreements like NAFTA and China Free Trade Agreement.
 
Cypress said:
I'm not sure that's really the point of the article. No one's asking corporations to "support" unions.

What american corporations are doing is actively lobbying against very modest labor reforms in china. And that's a nation that really needs some nominal level of workers rights.

Basically, I think this encapsulates everything that is wrong with trade agreements like NAFTA and China Free Trade Agreement.
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And I would present the battle against Unions that happened here in the Industrial Age as evidence that Corporations have fought tooth and nail against such reforms in almost every instance for time immemorial.
 
"When, in the past, have any corporations supported unions? "

Exactly. The fact that this is a GOVERNMENT run union is probably scaring the crap out of the corps.
 
Yep our govt is the only real union left in this country.

and we know how our govt hates any competition.
 
Damocles said:
And I would present the battle against Unions that happened here in the Industrial Age as evidence that Corporations have fought tooth and nail against such reforms in almost every instance for time immemorial.
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Yes, there a lot of truth in that. A lot of people fought, and in some cases died decades ago, to get the workers rights and benefits that we take for granted today.
 
Superfreak said:
"When, in the past, have any corporations supported unions? "

Exactly. The fact that this is a GOVERNMENT run union is probably scaring the crap out of the corps.
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What's scaring the crap out of them is that they might not be able to run sweat shops anymore. Are you pro-sweat shop?
 
Darla... no, I am not pro sweat shop... I am just saying, they are fighting this tooth and nail because it is the two types of entities they fear the most ....combined into one.
 
Superfreak said:
"When, in the past, have any corporations supported unions? "

Exactly. The fact that this is a GOVERNMENT run union is probably scaring the crap out of the corps.
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Uhh, this is communist China we're talking about. They're not going to allow independent labor unions. Ask the former Polish communist government what happens when you allow independent labor union in a totalitarian state ;).

As Darla states, the points is the Chinese are proposing very modest reforms pertaining to workers rights. I'm sure GE enjoys its sweatshop labor conditions, and 6 day work weeks. But, it's inhumane. What kind of human beings defend those type of working conditions?
 
Superfreak said:
Darla... no, I am not pro sweat shop... I am just saying, they are fighting this tooth and nail because it is the two types of entities they fear the most ....combined into one.
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I understand that, but what the laborer is subjected to in China is the result of unfettered corporate power. We had the same thing here.
 
"Uhh, this is communist China we're talking about. They're not going to allow independent labor unions. Ask the former Polish communist government what happens when you allow independent labor union in a totalitarian state "

Well gee golly... China is communist? No SHIT captain obvious.

But that does not change the fact that the corps do NOT want to be dealing with a combo of the two entities.
 
Superfreak said:
"Uhh, this is communist China we're talking about. They're not going to allow independent labor unions. Ask the former Polish communist government what happens when you allow independent labor union in a totalitarian state "

Well gee golly... China is communist? No SHIT captain obvious.

But that does not change the fact that the corps do NOT want to be dealing with a combo of the two entities.
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Yep that would add another level of bribes in China.
= mo money=less profit.
 
Superfreak said:
"Uhh, this is communist China we're talking about. They're not going to allow independent labor unions. Ask the former Polish communist government what happens when you allow independent labor union in a totalitarian state "

Well gee golly... China is communist? No SHIT captain obvious.

But that does not change the fact that the corps do NOT want to be dealing with a combo of the two entities.
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So, they're defending sweat shops because china has government-sanctioned labor unions?

Seems like a weak argument to me. American corporations have never balked at dealing with the chinese goverment before. It's potentially the largest market on the planet. One company I worked for, practically tripped all over themselves to ingratiate themselves with the Chinese government so we could get a drilling contract.

No, I don't think the issue is that corporations are philosophically opposed to government-sactioned labor unions. I think the issue, more likely, is that GE likes the current system: sweat shops, long working hours, no regulations.
 
Cypress said:
So, they're defending sweat shops because china has government-sanctioned labor unions?

Seems like a weak argument to me. American corporations have never balked at dealing with the chinese goverment before. It's potentially the largest market on the planet. One company I worked for, practically tripped all over themselves to ingratiate themselves with the Chinese government so we could get a drilling contract.

No, I don't think the issue is that corporations are philosophically opposed to government-sactioned labor unions. I think the issue, more likely, is that GE likes the current system: sweat shops, long working hours, no regulations.
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Yeah, they'd love it here too, if they could get it.
 
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