American democracy

[wiseones2cents]

Do you guys really believe that any of these parties will bring true change?

I would imagine you guys are basically voting for your own personal interests but over all, will any of these candidates really bring true change? If you really believe that? You are only fooling yourselves. What happened to the "change" that Obama was supposed to bring? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

When you have people at the top that have wealth that would make Bill Gates fortune look like pennies? There is no way you are going to remove them from power(without force)....

Mayer Amschel Rothschild quote: Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws.

Well? The federal reserve has control of the nation's money. They can buy congress, the senate, and every politician, and government worker in America to do their bidding. They say ever man has a price. Those that dont are quickly discredited.

They may seem to give with one hand, but they will always take two or three with the other.

I wonder what Kennedy meant by this: Hmmmmm

"Democracy is finished in England. It may be here," stated Ambassador Kennedy in the Boston Sunday Globe of November 10, 1940.

Its a shame that there was a grass root movement starting to awake from the ashes, but the elites quickly put themselves in front of it and diverted their agenda....

K. guys. I'll be here for another day since I was suspended on another board for a few days for trying to set a religious fanatic straight.lol So humor me.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

You're right wise one.

But force is not the only answer.

So much of the system relies on brainwashing that education of the people en masse regarding the everday mal-beliefs, inculcated through years of control of the media and education, would be quite effective in dismantling the machine.

Knowledge is power, and i thank you for getting the word out.

 

[wiseones2cents]

You're right wise one.

But force is not the only answer.

So much of the system relies on brainwashing that education of the people en masse regarding the everday mal-beliefs, inculcated through years of control of the media and education, would be quite effective in dismantling the machine.

Knowledge is power, and i thank you for getting the word out.

I used to think that force was not the only answer, but after what I learned? I am skeptical. If enough people were educated, it would cause a stir, but you have the people that are in on it on the other side, and the people that believe their lies.....

I've been working on a peaceful political and religious solution, but the enemy is heavily entrenched in both.....

 

[wiseones2cents]

Thank GOD we still have a civilian military that would not turn on its populace.

If you look at history? Most revolutionary leaders wind up dead. That is how they stop the movements. By killing the head and then replacing the head with one of their own......

 

[Sammy Jankis]

I've been working on a peaceful political and religious solution

So what have you got?

I got the rejection of fiat currency and globalization. What are you thinking of?

 

[wiseones2cents]

So what have you got?

I got the rejection of fiat currency and globalization. What are you thinking of?

I have massive plans. But without support? They will be difficult to implement, unless the global economy does a nose dive.

The main problems is the power is concentrated by a small group of corrupt individuals that rule the world, but have many minions. And they will do whatever it takes to make sure their power(which is an afrodisiac) is maintained. At any cost(thought that cost is usually passed down to the tax payers). They hardly ever spend their own money.

I'm thinking the best way to defeat them is via religion. Religion has the only power, and the elites know this. That is why they try to supress it and corrupt it.

Are you religious?

 

[Sammy Jankis]

I have massive plans. But without support? They will be difficult to implement, unless the global economy does a nose dive.

The main problems is the power is concentrated by a small group of corrupt individuals that rule the world, but have many minions. And they will do whatever it takes to make sure their power(which is an afrodisiac) is maintained. At any cost(thought that cost is usually passed down to the tax payers). They hardly ever spend their own money.

I'm thinking the best way to defeat them is via religion. Religion has the only power, and the elites know this. That is why they try to supress it and corrupt it.

Are you religious?

No. I believe religion is mostly controlled by them and is part of their mind control program. But i believe in morality.

Morality is a set of attitudes and behaviors which facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships.


They use religion to teach us that peace and love and a harmonious world can only be achieved after death. This is a convenient way to villify actually wanting to improve the world.

 

[wiseones2cents]

No. I believe religion is mostly controlled by them and is part of their mind control program. But i believe in morality.

Morality is a set of attitudes and behaviors which facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships.


They use religion to teach us that peace and love and a harmonious world can only be achieved after death. This is a convenient way to villify actually wanting to improve the world.

Their influence also extends into religion, though religion in its entirety, cannot be controlled. They have to watch their step or risk arousing their anger.....

Though they are able to manipulate Scriptures so that the sheep remain in subjection to a corrupt world.

Its not that they believe it can only be achieved after death. Many believe it can only be TRULY achieved when the Messiah comes or returns(depending on which religion you follow). I disagree. Change has come throughout history with revolutions(not necessarily violent). We may not be able to completely destroy immorality until Jesus comes, but we can sure put a stop to much of it.

Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Christians, Jews all reach a certain level of enlightenment(so to speak). They are already at peace and harmony. Though what they do not realize is, that peace and harmony can be torn from them as long as the world around them is immoral. Eventually it will effect them directly or indirectly.....As long as their is war mongering, greedy leaders. There can be no peace on earth.

Politics? Its all about people serving their interest(profits). Religion and social justice plays a very little part(although they do pretend it does). And that is the problem. Its all about the rich.

That is why politics will not bring change that is beneficial to all. Every politician will serve their own interests and not the interests of the people. Even if it pretends to be, there is always a profit involved for them. Meaning we pay for it. That is not a free society.

That is why I believe in socialism(a biblical concept) and I believe in religion. Religion does serve the interests of all people(at least the great majority) . If they are following it according to the Bible.

I dont think you will like what I propose.lol A theocracy.

America's democracy is a joke anyways, of which the elites stack the deck of candidates and own all of congress and the senate.

And the government is run by corporations who are not accountable to the people. But to their stock holders and their greed. This is why they are leaving America and taking jobs with them in droves.....

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Their influence also extends into religion, though religion in its entirety, cannot be controlled. They have to watch their step or risk arousing their anger.....

Though they are able to manipulate Scriptures so that the sheep remain in subjection to a corrupt world.

Its not that they believe it can only be achieved after death. Many believe it can only be TRULY achieved when the Messiah comes or returns(depending on which religion you follow). I disagree. Change has come throughout history with revolutions(not necessarily violent). We may not be able to completely destroy immorality until Jesus comes, but we can sure put a stop to much of it.

Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Christians, Jews all reach a certain level of enlightenment(so to speak). They are already at peace and harmony. Though what they do not realize is, that peace and harmony can be torn from them as long as the world around them is immoral. Eventually it will effect them directly or indirectly.....As long as their is war mongering, greedy leaders. There can be no peace on earth.

Politics? Its all about people serving their interest(profits). Religion and social justice plays a very little part(although they do pretend it does). And that is the problem. Its all about the rich.

That is why politics will not bring change that is beneficial to all. Every politician will serve their own interests and not the interests of the people. Even if it pretends to be, there is always a profit involved for them. Meaning we pay for it. That is not a free society.

That is why I believe in socialism(a biblical concept) and I believe in religion. Religion does serve the interests of all people(at least the great majority) . If they are following it according to the Bible.

I dont think you will like what I propose.lol A theocracy.

America's democracy is a joke anyways, of which the elites stack the deck of candidates and own all of congress and the senate.

And the government is run by corporations who are not accountable to the people. But to their stock holders and their greed. This is why they are leaving America and taking jobs with them in droves.....

Oh brother. Socialism is just centralized control and fascism under the covers, and religion just teaches people to abdicate thought to some mythological god or gods.

I think we just need to educate people about how the system of control actually manifests: fiat currency, and what the agenda of the elite is: genocide.

I think socialism and religion are mostly part of the problem.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Oh brother. Socialism is just centralized control and fascism under the covers, and religion just teaches people to abdicate thought to some mythological god or gods.

I think we just need to educate people about how the system of control actually manifests: fiat currency, and what the agenda of the elite is: genocide.

I think socialism and religion are mostly part of the problem.

Socialism is not the same as fascism. Socialism is the corporations belong to the people. In a fascist government, corporations are in the power of a small few. You should watch Capitalism a love story and see real socialist companies in action. Profit sharing. No one getting all the profit at the top for doing nothing.

And religion? I'm speaking about the morality of religious beliefs and principles. This is what I support. Regardless of the disagreements of the source of this wisdom.

We are using knowledge passed down centuries as a guide.

Religion has been used as a tool to rile up the masses to serve the interest of the rich, disguised as GOD's will.......This I wont deny. Though it has done more good then bad, by far.

The problem is Greed and the hording of wealth and resources. Along come these people. Conquering nations and using the wealth and resources, not to make this world a better place for all, but to make this world a better place for THEM. And capitalism(at least in the form it exists today) caters to their desire.........

They have stolen the entire world's real wealth with worthless paper money.....They dont have to conquer anymore by sword unless push comes to shove.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Socialism is not the same as fascism. Socialism is the corporations belong to the people. In a fascist government, corporations are in the power of a small few. You should watch Capitalism a love story and see real socialist companies in action. Profit sharing. No one getting all the profit at the top for doing nothing.

And religion? I'm speaking about the morality of religious beliefs and principles. This is what I support. Regardless of the disagreements of the source of this wisdom.

We are using knowledge passed down centuries as a guide.

Religion has been used as a tool to rile up the masses to serve the interest of the rich, disguised as GOD's will.......This I wont deny. Though it has done more good then bad, by far.

The problem is Greed and the hording of wealth and resources. Along come these people. Conquering nations and using the wealth and resources, not to make this world a better place for all, but to make this world a better place for THEM. And capitalism(at least in the form it exists today) caters to their desire.........

They have stolen the entire world's real wealth with worthless paper money.....They dont have to conquer anymore by sword unless push comes to shove.

You're wrong. SOcialism is no better than fascism. The corporations are still run by an elite few, whether operated under government or "privately" makes no difference. It's just word game. There is effectively no difference between a ceo an a "party member".

WE need to avoid large hierarchical structure, public or private.

 

[wiseones2cents]

You're wrong. SOcialism is no better than fascism. The corporations are still run by an elite few, whether operated under government or "privately" makes no difference. It's just word game. There is effectively no difference between a ceo an a "party member".

WE need to avoid large hierarchical structure, public or private.

There are many forms of socialism. In a fascist society, the people have no say in business. In a socialist society, the people do.

The difference between a CEO and a party member in a socialist society are HUGE! A CEO is payed stupid amounts of money to do very little(and his pay is passed down to the consumer). A Capitalist party member works for the rich also. A socialist party member works for the people. Since that is their only source of income. Its not like businesses can bribe them like they do in a capitalist society. They don't make enough money to bribe anyone.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

There are many forms of socialism. In a fascist society, the people have no say in business. In a socialist society, the people do.

No they don't. Where do you get that?

The difference between a CEO and a party member in a socialist society are HUGE! A CEO is payed stupid amounts of money to do very little(and his pay is passed down to the consumer). A Capitalist party member works for the rich also. A socialist party member works for the people. Since that is their only source of income. Its not like businesses can bribe them like they do in a capitalist society. They don't make enough money to bribe anyone.

Bullshit. They're both elite operatives operating on behalf of the oligarchy.

Your "distinctions" are just word games.

 

[wiseones2cents]

No they don't. Where do you get that?



Bullshit. They're both elite operatives operating on behalf of the oligarchy.

Your "distinctions" are just word games.

OK. We have a socialist government. This government controls everything, from health care, to electricity, to water, to gas, to oil, to auto industry, to airlines, to basically everything, the only thing that wouldn't be controlled is opposition news media to keep them straight.

All new emerging businesses will be given consideration and if they are popular, they proceed, giving the entrepreneur bonuses(for 10 years or so).

Then we would have a government webside, showing all the numbers of the companies(available to the public) and where all the money is going to and how it is being spent.(The SEC has already been corrupted).

If there is a problem found in the way any of the businesses are run? The people will bring it up to their attention, and if they cannot provide a reasonable explanation? Be forced to fix it.

Corporations do not answer to anyone. Government does.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

No they don't. Where do you get that?



Bullshit. They're both elite operatives operating on behalf of the oligarchy.

Your "distinctions" are just word games.

It's the indoctrination he's receiving, at the Canadian Public School he's still going to.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

OK. We have a socialist government. This government controls everything, from health care, to electricity, to water, to gas, to oil, to auto industry, to airlines, to basically everything, the only thing that wouldn't be controlled is opposition news media to keep them straight.

All new emerging businesses will be given consideration and if they are popular, they proceed, giving the entrepreneur bonuses(for 10 years or so).

Then we would have a government webside, showing all the numbers of the companies(available to the public) and where all the money is going to and how it is being spent.(The SEC has already been corrupted).

If there is a problem found in the way any of the businesses are run? The people will bring it up to their attention, and if they cannot provide a reasonable explanation? Be forced to fix it.

Corporations do not answer to anyone. Government does.

And this way each person doesn't answer to anyone, not even himself; because it's the Government's fault no matter what.
Socialism is just personal responsibility laziness.

 

[wiseones2cents]

And this way each person doesn't answer to anyone, not even himself; because it's the Government's fault no matter what.
Socialism is just personal responsibility laziness.

They still answer to their superiors. And unlike in a capitalist country? Their jobs are guaranteed till they die. Not like in America, you lose your job and lose everything.......

If someone is lazy, they can be voted out of the company and given a lesser job(and lesser pay).

This notion that everyone receives the same pay, is not necessarily a Socialist concept. It is a misconceived concept, generated by the capitalists. That's what unions do.

You are also allowed to own a home in a socialist society.

 

[wiseones2cents]

OK. We have a socialist government. This government controls everything, from health care, to electricity, to water, to gas, to oil, to auto industry, to airlines, to basically everything, the only thing that wouldn't be controlled is opposition news media to keep them straight.

All new emerging businesses will be given consideration and if they are popular, they proceed, giving the entrepreneur bonuses(for 10 years or so).

Then we would have a government webside, showing all the numbers of the companies(available to the public) and where all the money is going to and how it is being spent.(The SEC has already been corrupted).

If there is a problem found in the way any of the businesses are run? The people will bring it up to their attention, and if they cannot provide a reasonable explanation? Be forced to fix it.

Corporations do not answer to anyone. Government does.

Do you not see? It would eliminate middle men(right there your saving a bundle), bankruptcies,insurance costs, start up costs, Interest costs, stock holders, over paid CEOs, advertising/marketing, Owners, taxes,(all of which are passed down to the consumer)reduce utillity costs, like shipping, fuel, maintenance, electricity, ect.. all these middle men would be removed which means cheaper overhead.

Yes a lot of people would be out of a job, but at least they are not living off the backs of the consumers!

If ran properly, alternate jobs could be generated. And the ones with no jobs, could easily afford to live on a small allowance. And many people would be able to retire at an early age, giving more people job opportunities.

As long as the population grows. Demand will increase and so will jobs.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

They still answer to their superiors. And unlike in a capitalist country? Their jobs are guaranteed till they die. Not like in America, you lose your job and lose everything.......

If someone is lazy, they can be voted out of the company and given a lesser job(and lesser pay).

This notion that everyone receives the same pay, is not necessarily a Socialist concept. It is a misconceived concept, generated by the capitalists. That's what unions do.

You are also allowed to own a home in a socialist society.

And the public isn't responsible for anything.
It's all the Governments responsiblity.

 

[wiseones2cents]

And the public isn't responsible for anything.
It's all the Governments responsiblity.

The people's responsibly is to keep the government in check, and make sure it is serving the people's interests and not its own. Today the government pretends to serve the public but it serves elite interest. That is why things are getting worse not better. The proof is all around you......