American Physical Society Sees The Light: Will It Reject Climate Alarmism?

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The consensus is that Thorium reactors are decades away and Fusion is still a gleam in some scientists eyes.

And while we fiddle and argue about which is better, we go right on polluting as we always do and the air gets dirtier and nothing gets done...which is what Big Oil wants.

Meanwhile, the status quo will remain the status quo and things will continue to get worse for those who come after us and everyone will TALK about how they don't like pollution, but ultiamtely nothing will get done because since it isn't happening to you, it's just not that important.

You really need to do some basic research before speaking, China, Japan and India are all developing thorium reactors now, not decades away. The Skunk Works is planning to get a fusion reactor prototype ready by 2017. The ITER project is expected to go live in 2027 and China has decided to also go their own way as well. There is a powerful case for abandoning the crazy attempts to subsidise solar and wind and fully concentrate on thorium and fusion reactors. You and many others need to let go of your emotion laden approach and assess the options a little more objectively. We have had decades of that sort of childish attitude to energy and the environment, now it is time to let the big boys sort it out.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Current-and-Future-Generation/Thorium/

http://www.engineering.com/Designer...icleID/5388/Nuclear-Fusion-in-Five-Years.aspx

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=bookmark-chromeext

 

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What is the insuperable line?
How much evidence must there be
To prove what is plain for all to see?
Must there be unanimous consent -
Are we now ruled by sole dissent -
In the progress of time?

Global warming is a fact. It is happening, and at an accelerated rate. The ice is melting. The grim speed of the glacial retreat is there for all to see. It can no longer be denied. There is no point in arguing. The continued debate over the cause has all the absurdity of arguing over shuffleboard scores on a sinking Titanic. We are past the tipping point in the natural balance; and there is nothing that can be done to counteract the colossal elemental forces now set in motion - it is unstoppable. All that can be done at this late date is to deal with the inevitable consequences that are predictable, if not calculable to a mathematical certainty. It is only a matter of time.

Absolute garbage, just about everything you've said is almost completely wrong.

 

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The self-proclaimed experts at the International Climate Science Coalition have today launched another fanciful flight into the realm of climate denialism and United Nations conspiracy theories.

The ICSC, headed by Tom Harris, a former Canadian energy company public relations consultant, is trying to grab media attention with a new report written by the who's who of the climate denier conspiracy bunch. The report, Climate Change Reconsidered II: Physical Science, is part of a series published by a Chicago-based front group for the oil and tobacco industries called the Heartland Institute.

http://www.desmogblog.com/2013/09/17/international-climate-science-coalition-s-lacks-credibility

The function of the International Climate Science Coalition has less to do with science than with public relations, a strategy and budget document released by the group last year said.
The coalition's main activities seem to be writing letters to newspaper editors, ringing talkback radio programs and flooding websites with comments that attack climate change coverage.
The Australian Climate Science Coalition's list of advisers has included Professor Carter, Professor Ian Plimer and Professor William Kininmonth.
Editor's note:
The International Climate Science Coalition has disputed the statement in this article that its function has "less to do with science than with public relations". A response from its executive director, Tom Harris, is published below. The Herald stands by its story in all respects.
Mr Harris writes: As explained on our website: "The ICSC is a non-partisan group of independent scientists, economists and energy and policy experts who are working to promote better understanding of climate science and policy worldwide. We aim to help create an environment in which a more rational, open discussion about climate issues emerges, thereby moving the debate away from implementation of costly and ineffectual 'climate control' measures. Instead, ICSC encourages assisting vulnerable peoples to adapt to climate variability and continuing scientific research into the causes and impacts of climate change."

In other words, we focus on public education


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...tic-funding-20120217-1tegk.html#ixzz2wtqkImwR


Just sayin...

So you think you've proved your case by posting an alarmist climate blog?

 

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Comical
It's been way hotter
Long ago
Losers need to blame something

 

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Global warming is very real; and it is likely too late to do anything about it. (Certainly, it will be late to counsel now or pray when the consequences of our delay are visited upon us.) It’s time now that we face up to the facts; or come face to face with the harsh reality of global warming at the grocery store when we are fighting in the isles for the food on the shelves. Then, you see, it will be a real problem; one that we should have done something about.

This is another troll, has to be.

 

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Global warming is very real; and it is likely too late to do anything about it. (Certainly, it will be late to counsel now or pray when the consequences of our delay are visited upon us.) It’s time now that we face up to the facts; or come face to face with the harsh reality of global warming at the grocery store when we are fighting in the isles for the food on the shelves. Then, you see, it will be a real problem; one that we should have done something about.

There hasn't been any warming for the last 17 years!!

 

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You really need to do some basic research before speaking, China, Japan and India are all developing thorium reactors now, not decades away. The Skunk Works is planning to get a fusion reactor prototype ready by 2017. The ITER project is expected to go live in 2027 and China has decided to also go their own way as well. There is a powerful case for abandoning the crazy attempts to subsidise solar and wind and fully concentrate on thorium and fusion reactors. You and many others need to let go of your emotion laden approach and assess the options a little more objectively. We have had decades of that sort of childish attitude to energy and the environment, now it is time to let the big boys sort it out.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Current-and-Future-Generation/Thorium/

http://www.engineering.com/Designer...icleID/5388/Nuclear-Fusion-in-Five-Years.aspx

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=bookmark-chromeext

FIRST...so China Japan and India are all DEVELOPING Thorium Reactors?

That's great...when will they be OPERATIONAL?

How long will it be before Thorium Reactors are anything other than a novelty?

SECOND...While Fusion is a nice PIPE DREAM and may become a viable energy source in the future, it's still DECADES away. Your article says so.

Hell, Skunk Works doesn't even have a working prototype yet.

 

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Global warming is very real; and it is likely too late to do anything about it. (Certainly, it will be late to counsel now or pray when the consequences of our delay are visited upon us.) It’s time now that we face up to the facts; or come face to face with the harsh reality of global warming at the grocery store when we are fighting in the isles for the food on the shelves. Then, you see, it will be a real problem; one that we should have done something about.

And therein lies the ugly truth.

The climate deniers who today hold up any sort of reform that might help out down the line are completely self absorbed and can't be bothered with the lives of those who MIGHT suffer sometime in the future as the deniers themselves will be long dead when it comes time to "pay the piper" for our cavalier attitude regarding climate change.

 

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FIRST...so China Japan and India are all DEVELOPING Thorium Reactors?

That's great...when will they be OPERATIONAL?

How long will it be before Thorium Reactors are anything other than a novelty?

SECOND...While Fusion is a nice PIPE DREAM and may become a viable energy source in the future, it's still DECADES away. Your article says so.

Hell, Skunk Works doesn't even have a working prototype yet.

ITER is just over a decade away, in the meantime fracked gas power stations and conventional nuclear reactors should take over from coal and windmills. Skunkworks say they will have a working prototype by 2017 and a production version by 2022, I have no reason to doubt them, do you? Oh and by the way, there are some current generation reactors that can be modified to use thorium as well.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Current-and-Future-Generation/Thorium/

 

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And therein lies the ugly truth.

The climate deniers who today hold up any sort of reform that might help out down the line are completely self absorbed and can't be bothered with the lives of those who MIGHT suffer sometime in the future as the deniers themselves will be long dead when it comes time to "pay the piper" for our cavalier attitude regarding climate change.

Emotional and irrational nonsense, on a par with Deshit. You still haven't responded to the fact that there hasn't been any warming for 17 years now. So where exactly is this urgency that you are harping on about? Oh and please spare me another rant about pollution, CO2 is not a pollutant it is an essential gas without which photosynthesis would not be possible. If the world is starting to cool, which more than a few scientists are beginning to believe, then we will be glad of that fact.

 

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ITER is just over a decade away, in the meantime fracked gas power stations and conventional nuclear reactors should take over from coal and windmills. Skunkworks say they will have a working prototype by 2017 and a production version by 2022, I have no reason to doubt them, do you? Oh and by the way, there are some current generation reactors that can be modified to use thorium as well.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Current-and-Future-Generation/Thorium/

There is no assurance that ITER will even work when it's brought online...it's just wishful thinking at this point.


YES...I doubt anyone who claims they will have a working model of something that hasn't been successfully tested yet.

And how long will it take to retrofit those plants?

And to combine the thorium with whatever it is mixed with?

And how many plants need to be operational before it's deemed cost effective?

And what does the Nuclear power Lobby think?

 

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There is no assurance that ITER will even work when it's brought online...it's just wishful thinking at this point.


YES...I doubt anyone who claims they will have a working model of something that hasn't been successfully tested yet.

And how long will it take to retrofit those plants?

And to combine the thorium with whatever it is mixed with?

And how many plants need to be operational before it's deemed cost effective?

And what does the Nuclear power Lobby think?

Why wouldn't it work? The Joint European Torus at Culham near Oxford has already proven the technology works. The timeline is below:

• 1973 - Beginning of design work
• 1977 - Culham site is chosen and the construction work begins
• 25 June 1983 - Very first plasma achieved at JET
• 9 April 1984 - JET officially opened by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II
• 9 November 1991 - The world’s first controlled release of fusion energy
• 1993 - JET converted to Divertor configuration
• 1997 - JET produces 16 megawatts of fusion power (world record)
• 1998 - Remote Handling first used for in-vessel work
• 2000 - The collective use of JET and its scientific programme becomes managed through the European Fusion Development Agreement (EFDA)
• 2006 - JET starts operation with ITER-like magnetic configurations
• 2009-2011 Installation of the ITER-Like Wall

 

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This arsehole Nemo has turned PMs off, even Legion never did that.

 

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Why wouldn't it work? The Joint European Torus at Culham near Oxford has already proven the technology works. The timeline is below:

• 1973 - Beginning of design work
• 1977 - Culham site is chosen and the construction work begins
• 25 June 1983 - Very first plasma achieved at JET
• 9 April 1984 - JET officially opened by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II
• 9 November 1991 - The world’s first controlled release of fusion energy
• 1993 - JET converted to Divertor configuration
• 1997 - JET produces 16 megawatts of fusion power (world record)
• 1998 - Remote Handling first used for in-vessel work
• 2000 - The collective use of JET and its scientific programme becomes managed through the European Fusion Development Agreement (EFDA)
• 2006 - JET starts operation with ITER-like magnetic configurations
• 2009-2011 Installation of the ITER-Like Wall

Show me an example of a currently functioning stable fusion reaction.

Show me an example of ANY attempt at stable fusion reaction working as described.

 

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Lots of people cite wikipedia, was their some inaccuracy in what I posted?

I imagine they asked the three skeptics you mentioned to join the panel, because to do so takes the wind out of the sails of those who try to use claims of partisanship to discredit the findings of the panel.

What was the inaccuracy in what was posted from Breitbart?

 

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Why wouldn't it work? The Joint European Torus at Culham near Oxford has already proven the technology works. The timeline is below:

• 1973 - Beginning of design work
• 1977 - Culham site is chosen and the construction work begins
• 25 June 1983 - Very first plasma achieved at JET
• 9 April 1984 - JET officially opened by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II
• 9 November 1991 - The world’s first controlled release of fusion energy
• 1993 - JET converted to Divertor configuration
• 1997 - JET produces 16 megawatts of fusion power (world record)
• 1998 - Remote Handling first used for in-vessel work
• 2000 - The collective use of JET and its scientific programme becomes managed through the European Fusion Development Agreement (EFDA)
• 2006 - JET starts operation with ITER-like magnetic configurations
• 2009-2011 Installation of the ITER-Like Wall

No, the technology DOES NOT work...the "world record' you boasted of, "16 mega watts of fusion power", required an input of and were produced from a total input power of 24 mega watts – a 65% ratio. This is equivalent to a release of 22 mega joules of energy. a total of 16 MW was measured for less than a second and 5 MW for 5 seconds.

That's not going to keep people's refrigerators running for very long...

 

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What was the inaccuracy in what was posted from Breitbart?

Well for one, the Breitbart article was titled:

"The American Physical Society (APS) has signalled a dramatic turnabout in its position on "climate change" by appointing three notorious climate skeptics to its panel on public affairs (POPA)"

But as the wikipedia article I cited in post #4 states, that is a untrue.

 

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No, the technology DOES NOT work...the "world record' you boasted of, "16 mega watts of fusion power", required an input of and were produced from a total input power of 24 mega watts – a 65% ratio. This is equivalent to a release of 22 mega joules of energy. a total of 16 MW was measured for less than a second and 5 MW for 5 seconds.

That's not going to keep people's refrigerators running for very long...

My God, you are an eternal pessimist aren't you. As I stated before, the shameful waste of resources going into useless windmills and solar power would be far better directed at developing thorium and fusion reactors. The JET at Culham was never intended to be a working reactor, it was built to prove the basic theoretical principles are correct.

 

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Well for one, the Breitbart article was titled:

"The American Physical Society (APS) has signalled a dramatic turnabout in its position on "climate change" by appointing three notorious climate skeptics to its panel on public affairs (POPA)"

But as the wikipedia article I cited in post #4 states, that is a untrue.

As usual you are incapable of seeing the wood for the trees, the fact that Richard Lindzen, Judith Curry and John Christy are involved in the APS policy forming process represents a sea change in that organisation's attitude towards climate change. To label any of them as 'notorious climate sceptics' is risible to say the least, Richard Lindzen was the lead author for the 1991 IPPC report not some fringe loony. You would know that if you didn't get all your info from climate alarmist blogs and Wiki.

 

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As usual you are incapable of seeing the wood for the trees, the fact that Richard Lindzen, Judith Curry and John Christy are involved in the APS policy forming process represents a sea change in that organisation's attitude towards climate change. To label any of them as 'notorious climate sceptics' is risible to say the least, Richard Lindzen was the lead author for the 1991 IPPC report not some fringe loony. You would know that if you didn't get all your info from climate alarmist blogs and Wiki.

Now now now...

Don't get all huffy just because I pointed out the inaccuracy in the Breitbart article you cited.