If you rely on a union, it proves you're have nothing to offer.
Americans believe a second Civil War is likely
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If you rely on a union, it proves you're have nothing to offer.
Prove it, boy.
That's right. You can't but you won't stop running your dick sucker like you can.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
If you have something to offer, why do you need anything but that instead of a union?
Can you answer, boy?
In more ways than one.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
Then you should start acting like one, relying on yourself, instead of a union to extort for you.
A grown man wouldn't use the excuse of "I can but I won't" then try to blame his incompetency on someone else.
Americans believe a second civil war is coming? Too broad. Some insane crazy right wing haters do. That is a small subset of the deep state rightys. Insane haters like Vileherb and a few more on this board are fortifying their bunkers. Most of us see what a horrible mistake Trump is and hope we can fix his messes in a couple years, We think like a kidney stone, this too will pass. Vileherb reads the psycho news of the day and thinks most are like him. He should step out side the bunker and meet people who are sane,
Americans don't even fight for their own rights and pay, whether through supporting America in words, purchases, etc or through unions and collective bargaining. The deep state has them convinced it is the others fault. Pick your other, they are all available except the actual other. Pogo was right long ago.
Sources for the interested:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2751831-invisible-hands
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28695425-strangers-in-their-own-land
"America — with its decaying infrastructure, its third-world public transit, its shrinking labor market, its evaporating middle class, its expanding gulf between rich and poor, its heartless health insurance system, its mindless indifference to a dying ecology, its predatory credit agencies, its looming Social Security collapse, its interminable war, its metastasizing national debt and all the social pathologies that gave it a degenerate imbecile and child-abducting sadist as its president — remains the only developed economy in the world that believes it wrong to use civic wealth for civic goods. Its absurdly engorged military budget diverts hundreds of billions of dollars a year from the public weal to those who profit from the military-industrial complex. Its plutocratic policies and libertarian ethos are immune to all appeals of human solidarity. It towers over the world, but promises secure shelter only to the fortunate few." David Bentley Hart
"The trick never ages; the illusion never wears off. Vote to stop abortion; receive a rollback in capital gains taxes. Vote to make our country strong again; receive deindustrialization. Vote to screw those politically correct college professors; receive electricity deregulation. Vote to get government off our backs; receive conglomeration and monopoly everywhere from media to meatpacking. Vote to stand tall against terrorists; receive Social Security privatization. Vote to strike a blow against elitism; receive a social order in which wealth is more concentrated than ever before in our lifetimes, in which workers have been stripped of power and CEOs are rewarded in a manner beyond imagining." Thomas Frank, What's the Matter With Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America
Sources for the interested:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2751831-invisible-hands
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28695425-strangers-in-their-own-land
"America — with its decaying infrastructure, its third-world public transit, its shrinking labor market, its evaporating middle class, its expanding gulf between rich and poor, its heartless health insurance system, its mindless indifference to a dying ecology, its predatory credit agencies, its looming Social Security collapse, its interminable war, its metastasizing national debt and all the social pathologies that gave it a degenerate imbecile and child-abducting sadist as its president — remains the only developed economy in the world that believes it wrong to use civic wealth for civic goods. Its absurdly engorged military budget diverts hundreds of billions of dollars a year from the public weal to those who profit from the military-industrial complex. Its plutocratic policies and libertarian ethos are immune to all appeals of human solidarity. It towers over the world, but promises secure shelter only to the fortunate few." David Bentley Hart
"The trick never ages; the illusion never wears off. Vote to stop abortion; receive a rollback in capital gains taxes. Vote to make our country strong again; receive deindustrialization. Vote to screw those politically correct college professors; receive electricity deregulation. Vote to get government off our backs; receive conglomeration and monopoly everywhere from media to meatpacking. Vote to stand tall against terrorists; receive Social Security privatization. Vote to strike a blow against elitism; receive a social order in which wealth is more concentrated than ever before in our lifetimes, in which workers have been stripped of power and CEOs are rewarded in a manner beyond imagining." Thomas Frank, What's the Matter With Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America
Fentoine Lum
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You as a worker have what you've always had that capital wants to exploit; the same thing capital extracts via slavery when it can get away with it, ...work. Capitalists aren't going to work. And the more capital can extract from workers, the better off capital is. Which is why we now have corporate for profit prisons with legalized enslavement via corporate convict labor leasing. Capital doesn't want to pay workers, never has.
So capital in america has now reverted back to slavery, no union would allow that because all a union or collective effort of the people is, is little people pushing back on power. So of course capital despises the unsubstantial people joining together. Bear in mind that increases in worker productivity and increases in worker compensation were divorced from each other back in the very early 1970's. "Re"visit the Powell Memorandum.
Capital wants to pay workers what capital, because they're doing the paying, deems the skills are worth. Social wants the government to force the Capital to pay some artificially derived amount knowing that it's not their money being paid.
If those that are so weak they have to rely on a union to do for them think they are so good at what they do, become a Capital and prove to us by what you pay that you truly believe what you say.
For all those that think fast food workers should make $15/hour, I'll support higher pay for them as soon as they can get something as simple as a coffee order correct.
Fentoine Lum
Verified User
Yup, as long as the power structure can keep the unsubstantial people engaged in the quilt/sin/blame game instead of moving on to responsibility, and as long as the power structure can keep the masses quibbling amongst themselves, the societal wealth extraction, concentration and redistribution can continue unabated.
Controlled Opposition
Note my apathy
You and desh.
Fentoine Lum
Verified User
There's nothing wrong with it solely because the one paying should get to decide how much to pay not someone that has no skin in the game. Social isn't doing the paying, therefore, they could care less what someone else has to pay.
How about all those that say people should be paid more start a business and pay them what they believe it's OK to tell someone else to pay.
Fentoine Lum
Verified User
Fentoine Lum
Verified User
There you go projecting.
I've provided a way for you to prove that you truly believe what you say. What business will you be starting? Are you going to pay those workers what you expect a business you don't own to pay them?
