Americans Paid $90 Billion MORE In Taxes After Republican Tax Cut

[Flash]

LOL!

We didn't give a shit what you thought last year, and we ended up winning the gerrymnadered house.

Of course, you were fucking wrong as usual, and the Democrats won by the largest popular vote margin in the House in over 40 years. All because we didn't listen to people like you, we ignored you, pressed ahead with our attacks on Conservatives, and won the House with turnout only 1% below turnout in 2016, a Presidential election year.

Which proved the claim that Republicans only won because of gerrymandering was complete BS. All it took was for Democrats to get up and vote and they could win.

I was not wrong. I said many times that the president's party almost always loses seats in mid-term elections. That is a safe bet without any other political considerations such as presidential approval, the economy or other BS excuses like gerrymandering or "voter suppression."

So claiming I was wrong about the Democrats winning the House was a total LIE.

 

[LV426]

Then you lied AGAIN because you already made it clear the plan only applied to public colleges and that you don't care about private schools. Was that a lie or does the plan include historically black private schools?

What I said over and over was that you should read the proposals in order to understand them, and that free public college and HBCU aid are mutually exclusive.

You're a sophist.

You think a plan could pass that includes private black colleges but not white colleges?

1. What is a "white college"?

2. White students can enroll at HBCU's.

3. Yes, a plan for HBCU's can pass Congress because one has before! The Higher Education Act of 1965.

Why are you so fucking lazy? Why didn't you bother to research this before you posted? It's that entitlement you have, isn't it? That everyone must accommodate your laziness and your poor work ethic in order for you to possibly be receptive to what we're talking about.

That bullshit is exactly why we aren't trying to get your vote anymore.

So we can nominate Bernie or Warren, and they will campaign on all this stuff, and you can vote for Trump. How's that bargain?

 

[Flash]

But you are bringing those politics to the classroom when you seek out the confidential financial information on your students so you can then change the way you educated them based on your politics with regard to the imagined "waste" you think Pell Grants largely are.

If you found out a student in your class got Pell Grants, that is going to change the way you educate them; you said so yourself!

You're an ethical dung heap of a person.

Not a truthful word in this post. People do not "bring politics in the classroom" because of a student's financial status. Students on Pell Grants are among our best students (older females). You think those students get a different test or are treated differently? Is that the kind of thing you would do? To think a person would treat a student differently shows the kind of person you are because you are totally consumed by partisan politics.

I could not educate students who enrolled just to get grant money but never attended class---so educating them differently was not an issue. About 50% of our students were on Pell Grants--if you think I found out which ones were on grants and treated that half differently you surely have a pathetic opinion of humans.

You exaggerate and distort everything said by others and then when proven wrong drop that subject and revert to insults--the sign of a person who has run out of anything constructive to say.

 

[LV426]

Which proved the claim that Republicans only won because of gerrymandering was complete BS. All it took was for Democrats to get up and vote and they could win.

No, because there are still gerrymandered seats in states like Wisconsin, Texas, and North Carolina that were drawn by Republicans, that are still in Republican hands even though the total vote share in the state was equitable (or had Democrats winning a majority).

Enough with the sophistry, Flash. It's fucking lazy.

I was not wrong.

Yes you were. You were saying that all the mean things we were saying to Conservatives in public and on the internet was going to drive people away from the Democrats. YOU MADE THAT ARGUMENT COUNTLESS TIMES. You were fucking wrong.

I said many times that the president's party almost always loses seats in mid-term elections.

They always lose 40 seats by a 10,000,000 popular vote margin?

Even the 2010 teabag wave didn't have a popular vote margin that large.

We haven't had a midterm margin that large since Watergate.

That is a safe bet without any other political considerations such as presidential approval, the economy or other BS excuses like gerrymandering or "voter suppression."

So with regard to voter suppression, Fair Fight GA just won a court battle allowing a lawsuit against Kemp and the GOP in the state to proceed because of vote suppression.

It's weird, the closer we get to the election, the more you sound like a Trump voter; fuck, you're using all their arguments!

So claiming I was wrong about the Democrats winning the House was a total LIE.

No, what you said was that being mean to Conservatives was going to drive people away from the polls. You branded yourself a civility scorn, and it turns out that wisdom was totally fucked.

 

[LV426]

Not a truthful word in this post. People do not "bring politics in the classroom" because of a student's financial status

But you just said before that you would dial up the student aid office to get the dirt on students in your class. Why would you do that if you weren't going to change the way you approach those students based on their information?

You have no ethics.

 

[Flash]

What I said over and over was that you should read the proposals in order to understand them, and that free public college and HBCU aid are mutually exclusive.

Does that mean private historically black colleges get free college or not? If so, does that mean you care about black private schools but not others? You are such a bigot.

A white college is one which is primarily white and is not included in the HBCU category. The law for HBCU does not exclude private black colleges.

 

[LV426]

Does that mean private historically black colleges get free college or not?

So now we get to the part where you refuse to inform yourself of what we're discussing.

So just like the Mueller Report, you refuse to read the thing you are commenting on because you're lazy.

READ THE PROPOSALS.

No, they're not "free".

They get additional funding.

A white college is one which is primarily white and is not included in the HBCU category.

So that's a weird standard. So every college that doesn't have minority-majority enrollment is a "white" college?

The law for HBCU does not exclude private black colleges.

What are you talking about?

 

[Getin the ring]

could you start another thread about white / black colleges, I feel stupid as I'm sure others do commenting in thread with a title that thinks Americans paying less taxes but the government taking in more revenue is a bad thing

 

[Earl]

Face It: You (Probably) Got a Tax Cut

Studies consistently find that the 2017 law cut taxes for most Americans. Most of them don’t buy it.
Ben CasselmanJim Tankersley

By Ben Casselman and Jim Tankersley

April 14, 2019

If you’re an American taxpayer, you probably got a tax cut last year. And there’s a good chance you don’t believe it.

Ever since President Trump signed the Republican-sponsored tax bill in December 2017, independent analyses have consistently found that a large majority of Americans would owe less because of the law. Preliminary data based on tax filings has shown the same."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/14/b...e-tax-cut.html

 

[Earl]

Of course if you don’t like the new lower taxes, you are free to pay the older higher taxes.

When donkeys fly.

 

[Getin the ring]

I know right,

LV4nutbag seems to think if we give more of our money to the government they will spend it wisely

 

[Earl]

As with “Solyndra.”

 

[Flash]

No, because there are still gerrymandered seats in states like Wisconsin, Texas, and North Carolina that were drawn by Republicans, that are still in Republican hands even though the total vote share in the state was equitable (or had Democrats winning a majority).

Enough with the sophistry, Flash. It's fucking lazy.

And there are also seats gerrymandered for Democrats. CA has some good examples. When Democrats actually controlled more states they gerrymandered to their advantage. Since Republicans control more states they gerrymander to their advantage. See how it works? Both sides use the same methods.

You are talking about two different issues. I clearly said Republicans would lose seats in 2018 because it is history (the surge and decline theory)

I never related the bigoted, prejudiced, elitist denigration of Trump supporters to the 2018 mid-term election. I said such a condescending attitude is what caused Democrats to lose the white working class vote and that already happened--so obviously I am not wrong about that--it is just a fact. It is one reason about 8 million Obama voters voted for Trump (but probably not the main reason). And, it will make those same working class whites and anti-elitist college educated whites vote for Trump again in 2020.

I never suggested it would affect the 2018 election. It is more of a long-term effect as can be seen by the slow decrease of white working class votes from Democrats--a group that was at the corps of the New Deal coalition.

If you don't think those attitudes have hurt the Democratic party you are blind.

They always lose 40 seats by a 10,000,000 popular vote margin?

No. Sometimes more, sometimes less.

House Seats Gained/Lost in Midterm Elections

2010: -63 Democrats
1994: -54 Democrats
1998: +5 Democrats (*)
2002: +8 Republicans (*)
2006: +31 Democrats

*rare exceptions when president's party gained House seats

No, what you said was that being mean to Conservatives was going to drive people away from the polls. You branded yourself a civility scorn, and it turns out that wisdom was totally fucked.

You never get it right. I said assholes with bigoted condescending attitudes would continue to drive working class whites away from the Democrats.

And, I was not wrong. As you were too lazy to research, that group continued to vote Republican in 2018. Democratic gains were due to increased turnout for loyal Democrats.

2018: [Pew Research]

Males : 51% Republican
Whites: 54% Republican
White Males: 60% Republican
Non-college White Women: 56% Republican
White Male College Graduates: 51% Republican
White Male Non-College: 66% Republican

 

[LV426]

And there are also seats gerrymandered for Democrats. CA has some good examples. When Democrats actually controlled more states they gerrymandered to their advantage. Since Republicans control more states they gerrymander to their advantage. See how it works? Both sides use the same methods.

California's districts are independently drawn by a balanced commission. I know because I voted for that in 2008. The reason Democrats win more seats in CA and most other states where the GOP doesn't draw the lines, is simply because Republicans are terrible and cannot win an election on a level playing field.

 

[LV426]

No. Sometimes more, sometimes less.
House Seats Gained/Lost in Midterm Elections
2010: -63 Democrats
1994: -54 Democrats
1998: +5 Democrats (*)
2002: +8 Republicans (*)
2006: +31 Democrats
*rare exceptions when president's party gained House seats

So first you said they always lose seats, then you moved that bar to say they sometimes lose seats, all the while ignoring the popular vote margin because it's inconvenient to your argument.

You chose to argue only half of what I said...what were the popular vote margins in all those elections for the winning party? How many total votes did they win by? Because before 2018, one party had not won by a 10,000,000 vote margin in the House since 1974.

The reason I talk about the popular vote margin is because;

1) The gerrymandering skewed the true gain of House seats Democrats would have had if every district was drawn fairly and independently. If the House seats were according to the 2010 redistricting instead of the 2018 redistricting, Democrats would have picked up over 55 House seats instead of the 41 they got.

2) The total aggregate popular vote shows the margin and enthusiasm Democrats had in the election; enthusiasm that scolds like you were trying to dampen with your tone policing.

 

[LV426]

You never get it right. I said assholes with bigoted condescending attitudes would continue to drive working class whites away from the Democrats.

We don't need working class whites to win elections anymore.

That's what has got you in such a tizzy...that we have dared to forsake bad faith voters who crave accommodation and instead chose to motivate non-voters to show up with big ideas and confrontations with the Nazis that now make up the entire Conservative movement.

That strategy worked last year.

The white working class can slowly kill itself with alcohol, suicide, and drug overdoses. We don't need them or their votes or their shitty perspectives.

 

[Flash]

But you just said before that you would dial up the student aid office to get the dirt on students in your class. Why would you do that if you weren't going to change the way you approach those students based on their information?

You have no ethics.

More lies. I never said anything about getting "dirt" on students. I said if somebody was not attending class or quit attending I would call financial aid to get information on them because sometimes they were familiar with their situation. If the student received a grant and never attended class in the past that explained the problem. But if the person had been a good student in past semesters according to other instructors I asked I would go to more trouble finding out if this student was experiencing any special problems I could help with.

In one instance the student had no transportation and I picked her up and took her to class for about three weeks until she had a ride.

In another case the mother's divorced husband was supposed to pay the son's college tuition as a part of child support. The son never attended any of his classes upon asking other instructors. I felt sorry for her because I'm sure she could have used that tuition money to support her son and the tuition was being wasted. I could not tell the mother the son was not attending class because that would violate the privacy laws (unless the student gives permission).

Instructors who do not care about students or feel it is not their responsibility or have too many students do not bother to gather such information or call the student to see if they need help.

 

[LV426]

Males : 51% Republican
Whites: 54% Republican
White Males: 60% Republican
Non-college White Women: 56% Republican
White Male College Graduates: 51% Republican
White Male Non-College: 66% Republican

Curious, what share of the electorate do these subgroups make up? A smaller one from 2016, right? So...what is your point?

Here's mine:

White working class folks crave accommodation. When you deny that accommodation, you end up creating enthusiasm among every other demographic because you are no longer compromising your faith in order to attract the votes of unreliable, needy losers. When you no longer have to appeal to that underbelly, suddenly you no longer have to worry about moderation or tone policing or paying lip service to corporations and businesses because the coalition we have rejects all those things.

Democratic gains were due to increased turnout for loyal Democrats.

Yes, and poor white voters (they're not "working class" and they don't have a monopoly on "working class"...they're just poor trash) showed up in fewer numbers than 2016.

Now, why did loyal Democrats show up in 2018?

What motivated them?

What got them enthusiastic?

It wasn't tone policing...

 

[Flash]

We don't need working class whites to win elections anymore.

That is what Hillary thought.

That is only true if Democrats keep their turnout high which we both know never happens.

 

[LV426]

That is what Hillary thought. That is only true if Democrats keep their turnout high which we both know never happens.

Hillary won the popular vote margin by 3,000,000, and Trump only won the EC in states Russia directed their social media trolling and campaigns and hacked into the voting systems.

As for turnout, well, 2018 saw record midterm turnout. In fact, turnout in 2018 for the House was 50%. In 2014, turnout was 36%. Midterm turnout hasn't reached that level since 1966.

So if turnout in the midterms, where Democrats historically don't show up, was a record high at 50%, why would turnout in what is probably the most important Presidential election (where turnout is always higher and was 55% in 2016) in a generation also not be a record high?

I believe that we will surpass 60% turnout next year because the election will be unavoidable. The higher the turnout, the less likely Conservatives are to win.