America's Drones - The Justification for Terrorism and 9/11

Aoxomoxoa said:
I was already well aware of that report citing a 49:1 civilian casualty rate, I just wanted you to post it. As for my own evidence there is plenty of that out there. How about the study that just came out that said there were no civilian casualties in 2012. I don't know if I belive that either but I bet it is a lot closer than the stats you claim which almost undoubtedly originated from the Pakistani ISI and their bought and paid for journalists.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/drone_strikes_and_civilian_casualties_only_one_statistic_matters/

http://www.ipsnews.net/2012/07/report-claims-no-pakistani-civilian-deaths-from-drones-in-2012/

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/13/opinion/bergen-civilian-casualties/index.html
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Posting what you think is counter evidence is what you should have been doing all along instead of making shit up.

Perhaps you can point out what you think is counter-evidence in your articles rather than have posters dig for it.
 
Darla said:
I believe that the double-tap in particular constitutes a war crime, and I will be very interested to see the UN findings: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/25/w...o-investigate-rise-in-drone-strikes.html?_r=0

But we will have to wait until the fall for those. I am sure they will be dismissed by people who share Colin Powell's feelings about civilian causalities "frankly that's just not a number that interests me".

It's interesting that Tom is arguing that you can't prove there are civilian deaths because western (WHITE) media outlets can't get in there. So it's just those bloody lying pakis and we know how they are! It's interesting because this is the exact argument American righties used to deny or downplay civilian causalities in Iraq for so long. Proving to me, once again, a war whore is a war whore is a war whore.
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It's not a number that interests Tom either. Thus, there will never be an agreement between he and I on anything war.
 
blackascoal said:
It's not a number that interests Tom either. Thus, there will never be an agreement between he and I on anything war.
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It's not a number that interests a lot of people I guess. I know it never interested the American righties about Iraq. It just sickens me to see liberals join in this bullshit. I am not talking about Tom - Tom has always been a right winger, though he had a few fooled. I mean actual liberals, or Democrats. I guess some did at the beginning of the Iraq war too, the so-called "liberal hawks'. Made damned fools out of themselves and never apologized, just made excuses. But really, this drone program is literally terrorizing civilians. It is a terrorist tactic in my opinion and only a real low-life would defend it and I don't care which side of the political fence you are on.
 
Darla said:
It's not a number that interests a lot of people I guess. I know it never interested the American righties about Iraq. It just sickens me to see liberals join in this bullshit. I am not talking about Tom - Tom has always been a right winger, though he had a few fooled. I mean actual liberals, or Democrats. I guess some did at the beginning of the Iraq war too, the so-called "liberal hawks'. Made damned fools out of themselves and never apologized, just made excuses. But really, this drone program is literally terrorizing civilians. It is a terrorist tactic in my opinion and only a real low-life would defend it and I don't care which side of the political fence you are on.
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I couldn't agree with you more. It only takes half a brain to recognize that double-tap drone strikes are DESIGNED to be a terrorist act.

THE most disappointing result of Obama's election has been the exposure of liberals and so-called 'progressives.' There is nothing liberal or progressive about these drone strikes. Under Obama, the Democratic Party has moved steadily to the right. On war, they've become as disgusting as the right-wing. John Bolton and Dick Cheney becomes their spokesperson.
 
Darla said:
How about the rule of law Don? If you accept the notion that we must "fight terrorists" then you are accepting never-ending war. I think human beings can do better, do you?
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i am all for the rule of law (see my signature), i think that we need additional laws designed to deal with terrorism (not the usa patriot act though)

as long as there are terrorists that want to attack the u s of a, then we will be at war with terrorists

i too wish that mankind would do better, but it does not appear that time has come :(

maybe some day though
 
Don Quixote said:
i am all for the rule of law (see my signature), i think that we need additional laws designed to deal with terrorism (not the usa patriot act though)

as long as there are terrorists that want to attack the u s of a, then we will be at war with terrorists

i too wish that mankind would do better, but it does not appear that time has come :(

maybe some day though
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Then you advocate for endless war. That's a clear position. That is your right.

Me, I do not want endless war. I think we can do better.

BTW do you have anyone you can send to fight this endless war? Endless war needs an endless supply of soldiers. I know Tom isn't sending his boys, how about you? Just wondering.
 
blackascoal said:
It only takes half a brain to recognize that double-tap drone strikes are DESIGNED to be a terrorist act.

THE most disappointing result of Obama's election has been the exposure of liberals and so-called 'progressives.' There is nothing liberal or progressive about these drone strikes.
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This is the sad reality. Neither the present liberals nor the present conservatives care as much about what they feel is right as they do about forwarding their own party's interests.
 
Darla said:
Then you advocate for endless war. That's a clear position. That is your right.

Me, I do not want endless war. I think we can do better.

BTW do you have anyone you can send to fight this endless war? Endless war needs an endless supply of soldiers. I know Tom isn't sending his boys, how about you? Just wondering.
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i am not an advocate of endless war, just not interested in letting terrorists do as they please to us

as for my children, they are all either too old or too young (children and grandchildren)
 
Don Quixote said:
i am not an advocate of endless war, just not interested in letting terrorists do as they please to us

as for my children, they are all either too old or too young (children and grandchildren)
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You do recognize that we use these so-called terrorists to attack other nations don't you?

In fact, 'terrorists' can mean anything one wants it to mean .. and it sure scares the shit out of the pilgrims.

There are better ways to fight 'terrorists' and I posted the evidence of that.
 
A few thoughts on this.

First, when was the last time the average US citizen (or British or Australian or Canadian, for that matter) heard a bomb go off? When was the last time the average person experienced what is usually associated with war? Famine? Disease? Shortages of every day supplies?

The following clip depicts a society that conducts war by computers. No mess, no fuss. Is this our future?

 
blackascoal said:
You do recognize that we use these so-called terrorists to attack other nations don't you?

In fact, 'terrorists' can mean anything one wants it to mean .. and it sure scares the shit out of the pilgrims.

There are better ways to fight 'terrorists' and I posted the evidence of that.
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Sadly, we are the "terrorists" in those countries where drones come out of nowhere and kill whoever is in their paths. How many "terrorists" do we create every time a drone fires into a foreign city and little children run away in absolute terror from the blast and the noise?
 
Independent said:
Sadly, we are the "terrorists" in those countries where drones come out of nowhere and kill whoever is in their paths. How many "terrorists" do we create every time a drone fires into a foreign city and little children run away in absolute terror from the blast and the noise?
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How many first-responders hesitate before they rush to the scene of an explosion .. knowing that they will be targeted by the US?

The so-called "terrorists" that will kill among the dead of all the innocent people we kill .. can be replaced quickly by the families of the innocent.
 
Darla said:
Then you advocate for endless war. That's a clear position. That is your right.

Me, I do not want endless war. I think we can do better.

BTW do you have anyone you can send to fight this endless war? Endless war needs an endless supply of soldiers. I know Tom isn't sending his boys, how about you? Just wondering.
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That problem was solved in 1869 when the Emperor of France made a deal with the Pope. In exchange for the Emperor declaring the Pope was infallible the Pope decreed abortion, at any stage, was a sin. That meant in a few short years there would be lots of young people to send to the slaughter of war. A deal made in Hell, one could say.

And then those damn Liberal Supreme Court Justices defied the church's instructions, gave the Devil the finger and Roe vs Wade resulted in legalized abortion.

To paraphrase Archie Bunker, "How can we get a decent war off the ground if there's no soldiers? Damn peaceniks!" :D
 
Don Quixote said:
we never should have invaded iraq

the resources that we used in iraq should have been used in afghanistan

when we killed bin laden we should have left afghanistan as that was our excuse for going in in the first place

what we are doing with our drones is barely a fraction of what we did during wwii to civilian populations...anybody remember dresden...

however, as long as we are going to fight terrorists, we should use drones, just with much better intelligence...war sucks

what you did not reply to was my question about what rules/laws should be used regarding terrorists around the world
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So because we committed greater war crimes (Dresden, Tokyo, Etc.) it's perfectly fine and indeed encouraged for us to commit more?
 
Kel-Tec Sub 2000 said:
So because we committed greater war crimes (Dresden, Tokyo, Etc.) it's perfectly fine and indeed encouraged for us to commit more?
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You went to war in Iraq, what happened in Fallujah was infinitely worse than anything to do with drones. In WW2, enemy agents were sent behind enemy lines to execute specific Nazis like Reinhard Heydrich, the butcher of Prague for instance. The Wolf's Lair is another example in 1944, don't you think that drones or cruise missiles would have been used to kill Hitler had they been available?
 
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