America's weapons are expensive; are they effective?

America's cowardice is costly.


  • Ship: Arleigh Burke–class destroyer (typical escort); cruising speed to transit to safer patrol areas vs port: 20 knots (≈37 km/h). Fuel consumption varies; estimate fuel burn ≈ 1.5–2.5 tonnes/hour at 20 kt (midpoint 2.0 t/hr).
  • Distance metric: 1 knot = 1 nautical mile/hour, so at 20 kt ship covers 20 nm/hr.
  • Tonnes/mile = fuel burn rate (t/hr) ÷ speed (nm/hr). Using 2.0 t/hr ÷ 20 nm/hr = 0.1 t/nm (100 kg per nm).
  • Convert: 1 nautical mile ≈ 1.852 km, so ≈54 kg/km.
Per‑ship example

  • 0.1 tonnes per nautical mile (100 kg/nm).
  • If a ship avoids a 300 nm round trip to port (150 nm each way) by staying at sea, extra fuel consumed to remain on station instead of repositioning is operationally complex, but simple transit avoidance fuel trade: 300 nm × 0.1 t/nm = 30 tonnes of fuel.
Squadron-level example

  • Carrier strike group escorts: assume 6 escorts (destroyers/frigates) + 1 carrier (much larger fuel use) + 1 oiler. Using escorts only for conservative estimate: 6 ships × 30 t = 180 tonnes for that avoided 300 nm port cycle. Carriers burn far more—real group totals increase by multiples.
Per‑mile fleet aggregate (illustrative)

  • If an entire deployed surface escort force of 20 ships is kept dispersed and avoids an average 200 nm port call per ship per month: per ship extra = 200 nm × 0.1 t/nm = 20 t → fleet = 400 t/month. Per‑mile average remains ~0.1 t/nm per ship.
Caveats and reality checks

  • Fuel burn rates vary widely by ship class and speed. Carriers and oilers have much higher absolute burns; littoral ships lower. Fleet steaming patterns (station keeping, patrol speeds, loitering) alter numbers.
  • “Extra” fuel used to avoid ports is not simply transit vs loiter—it involves replacement cycles, redeployments, and MSC/oiler rendezvous that change the arithmetic.
  • This estimate excludes other logistics (food, munitions, spare parts) and indirect costs (more frequent UNREP sorties, wear, crew fatigue, higher maintenance).
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am here to help....
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Your help seems somewhat ineffective. Shall I inspire you?

The student-led opposition was a critical engine of the 1979 Iranian Revolution, serving as the "vanguard" that broke the public's barrier of fear through persistent, escalating protests. While the revolution was a broad coalition, students provided the intellectual spark and the initial street-level momentum that eventually made the Shah's rule untenable.

Before the final push, decades of student activism built the infrastructure for revolt.
  • University Hubs: Campuses in Tehran, Tabriz, and Shiraz became "bastions of freedom" where underground political literature circulated.
  • Diverse Ideologies: Students were not a monolith; they included Marxists (Fedaiyan-e-Khalq), Islamist-Socialists (Mojahedin-e-Khalq), and Khomeinist loyalists.
  • International Network: The Confederation of Iranian Students (CISNU) organized global protests in cities like D.C. and London, exposing the Shah's human rights record (SAVAK abuses) to the Western media.
    • After a government-backed newspaper insulted Ayatollah Khomeini, 4,000 seminary students in Qom protested. Security forces fired, killing several.
    • The Loop: Following Shia tradition, memorials were held 40 days later. In Tabriz (Feb 18), these memorials turned into massive riots.
    • Scaling Up: Each "40th-day" memorial created new martyrs, triggering more protests 40 days later in more cities, drawing in the broader public.
  • As the year progressed, students successfully merged their cause with workers and the religious middle class.
    • October Strikes: Students helped coordinate a "rapid succession of strikes" that paralyzed the bazaar, oil installations, and government ministries.
    • University Raid (Nov 4): A brutal army raid at Tehran University was captured on film, showing soldiers firing on students. The footage aired on national TV, causing such public outrage that the Shah was forced to go on TV the next day to famously say, "I have heard the voice of your revolution".
    • Total Defiance: By December, student groups were at the front of marches involving millions of people, explicitly demanding the Shah's abdication.
  • The student-driven chaos eventually reached a tipping point where the military could no longer control the streets.
    • Pressure on the Shah: Facing a complete economic standstill and daily street battles led by youth, the Shah's health (he had secret leukemia) and resolve failed.
    • The "Vacation": On January 16, the Shah fled Iran for what was officially called a "vacation".
 
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said:
Your help seems somewhat ineffective. Shall I inspire you?

The student-led opposition was a critical engine of the 1979 Iranian Revolution, serving as the "vanguard" that broke the public's barrier of fear through persistent, escalating protests. While the revolution was a broad coalition, students provided the intellectual spark and the initial street-level momentum that eventually made the Shah's rule untenable.

Before the final push, decades of student activism built the infrastructure for revolt.
  • University Hubs: Campuses in Tehran, Tabriz, and Shiraz became "bastions of freedom" where underground political literature circulated.
  • Diverse Ideologies: Students were not a monolith; they included Marxists (Fedaiyan-e-Khalq), Islamist-Socialists (Mojahedin-e-Khalq), and Khomeinist loyalists.
  • International Network: The Confederation of Iranian Students(CISNU) organized global protests in cities like D.C. and London, exposing the Shah's human rights record (SAVAK abuses) to the Western media.
    • After a government-backed newspaper insulted Ayatollah Khomeini, 4,000 seminary students in Qom protested. Security forces fired, killing several.
    • The Loop: Following Shia tradition, memorials were held 40 days later. In Tabriz (Feb 18), these memorials turned into massive riots.
    • Scaling Up: Each "40th-day" memorial created new martyrs, triggering more protests 40 days later in more cities, drawing in the broader public.
  • As the year progressed, students successfully merged their cause with workers and the religious middle class.
    • October Strikes: Students helped coordinate a "rapid succession of strikes" that paralyzed the bazaar, oil installations, and government ministries.
    • University Raid (Nov 4): A brutal army raid at Tehran University was captured on film, showing soldiers firing on students. The footage aired on national TV, causing such public outrage that the Shah was forced to go on TV the next day to famously say, "I have heard the voice of your revolution".
    • Total Defiance: By December, student groups were at the front of marches involving millions of people, explicitly demanding the Shah's abdication.
  • The student-driven chaos eventually reached a tipping point where the military could no longer control the streets.
    • Pressure on the Shah: Facing a complete economic standstill and daily street battles led by youth, the Shah's health (he had secret leukemia) and resolve failed.
    • The "Vacation": On January 16, the Shah fled Iran for what was officially called a "vacation".
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Massive padded bras....long hair......adore men....HELL YA sign me up!

The Asians can have me any time they want me.
 
US shipbuilding has gone downhill fast. I blame the unions. US used to be the number 1 shipbuilder in the world. Now its not even top 10. This is with the advantage of having a massive MIC to draw upon.
 
tsuke11 said:
US shipbuilding has gone downhill fast. I blame the unions. US used to be the number 1 shipbuilder in the world. Now its not even top 10. This is with the advantage of having a massive MIC to draw upon.
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It was a choice made round 1997 that massive money could be saved in a peace dividend in slashing shipyard capacity.
 
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said:
You were misinformed.

Chat GPT: The U.S. withdrew its combat forces from Afghanistan to end America’s longest war, shift responsibility for security to Afghan authorities, and focus U.S. resources on other priorities; the withdrawal followed a negotiated timeline set by the U.S.–Taliban agreement and later political decisions to complete the pullout.

The initial agreement to remove U.S. forces was the February 2020 deal between the Trump administration and the Taliban (signed under President Donald Trump).

America lost.
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the Taliban didn't force it.

they just agreed to it.

this persona is getting dumber.
 
Ichabod Stain said:
the Taliban didn't force it.

they just agreed to it.

this persona is getting dumber.
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We spent 20 years and something near 2 trillion dollars to replace the Taliban with the Taliban.

AI Overview



The 20-year war in Afghanistan (2001–2021) cost the United States an estimated $2.3 trillion in direct military and reconstruction expenses. This figure includes over $800 billion in direct warfighting costs and roughly $145 billion for reconstruction, with total costs likely to rise further due to long-term veteran care.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
We spent 20 years and something near 2 trillion dollars to replace the Taliban with the Taliban.

AI Overview



The 20-year war in Afghanistan (2001–2021) cost the United States an estimated $2.3 trillion in direct military and reconstruction expenses. This figure includes over $800 billion in direct warfighting costs and roughly $145 billion for reconstruction, with total costs likely to rise further due to long-term veteran care.
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yes. agreed.

we were still not forced out.

we realized it was dumb and gay to be there.
 
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said:
Your help seems somewhat ineffective. Shall I inspire you?

The student-led opposition was a critical engine of the 1979 Iranian Revolution, serving as the "vanguard" that broke the public's barrier of fear through persistent, escalating protests. While the revolution was a broad coalition, students provided the intellectual spark and the initial street-level momentum that eventually made the Shah's rule untenable.

Before the final push, decades of student activism built the infrastructure for revolt.
  • University Hubs: Campuses in Tehran, Tabriz, and Shiraz became "bastions of freedom" where underground political literature circulated.
  • Diverse Ideologies: Students were not a monolith; they included Marxists (Fedaiyan-e-Khalq), Islamist-Socialists (Mojahedin-e-Khalq), and Khomeinist loyalists.
  • International Network: The Confederation of Iranian Students(CISNU) organized global protests in cities like D.C. and London, exposing the Shah's human rights record (SAVAK abuses) to the Western media.
    • After a government-backed newspaper insulted Ayatollah Khomeini, 4,000 seminary students in Qom protested. Security forces fired, killing several.
    • The Loop: Following Shia tradition, memorials were held 40 days later. In Tabriz (Feb 18), these memorials turned into massive riots.
    • Scaling Up: Each "40th-day" memorial created new martyrs, triggering more protests 40 days later in more cities, drawing in the broader public.
  • As the year progressed, students successfully merged their cause with workers and the religious middle class.
    • October Strikes: Students helped coordinate a "rapid succession of strikes" that paralyzed the bazaar, oil installations, and government ministries.
    • University Raid (Nov 4): A brutal army raid at Tehran University was captured on film, showing soldiers firing on students. The footage aired on national TV, causing such public outrage that the Shah was forced to go on TV the next day to famously say, "I have heard the voice of your revolution".
    • Total Defiance: By December, student groups were at the front of marches involving millions of people, explicitly demanding the Shah's abdication.
  • The student-driven chaos eventually reached a tipping point where the military could no longer control the streets.
    • Pressure on the Shah: Facing a complete economic standstill and daily street battles led by youth, the Shah's health (he had secret leukemia) and resolve failed.
    • The "Vacation": On January 16, the Shah fled Iran for what was officially called a "vacation".
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I think it was all funded by CIA.

why? Iran was modernizing too fast.

the deep state wanted to create an EVEN MORE RADICAL Islamic theocracy to prepare for future wars.

see mazzini's letter from Albert Pike about fomenting three wars to dominate humanity.

 
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