An educatonal piece... Criminal Law v. Civil Law.

Jarod said:
It is not relevant what the Defendant thinks.
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Not from a legal standpoint but from a perception standpoint it is relevant.

Just like from a legal standpoint the jury didn't find Trump committed rape as defined in NY law but the perception of what he did makes Trump a rapist.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Not from a legal standpoint but from a perception standpoint it is relevant.

Just like from a legal standpoint the jury didn't find Trump committed rape as defined in NY law but the perception of what he did makes Trump a rapist.
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I never won a case where the Defendant felt the result was fair. That is the nature of an adversarial system.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Not from a legal standpoint but from a perception standpoint it is relevant.

Just like from a legal standpoint the jury didn't find Trump committed rape as defined in NY law but the perception of what he did makes Trump a rapist.
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THe jury did find Trump committed rape as defined by New York law. Just not in criminal court.
 
Jarod said:
The O.J. and Trump cases were not about punishment. OJ was about damages and Trumps was about disgorgement. Neither of those are punishment.
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damages for what crime???????

Jarod said:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


This is all the founders had to say about Criminal cases, they made a provision for Capital cases or infamous crimes. (Felonies). Otherwise, Due Process is enough.
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you're familiar with the founders statement of 'it's better to let 10 guilty men go free than to have 1 innocent imprisoned', right????
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
It's easy to do so. You only have to accept the court ruling that
Trump is a Rapist!!!


One can have committed an act without being convicted of that act in a criminal court.
Can someone be a plagiarizer without a criminal conviction?
Can someone be a teetotaler without a criminal conviction?
It is the act of rape that makes someone a rapist, not the criminal conviction. Criminal conviction makes them guilty of violating the law prohibiting rape.
A civil conviction makes them liable for the harm caused by the rape.
In both instances the person is found by a court to have committed rape. In one instance there is a criminal penalty. In the other there is a civil penalty.
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a 'civil' case just makes it easy for prosecutors to not have to do their job and PUNISH people they don't like.

I get that you sick fucks are all about using civil cases for this, but mark my words, a civil case is going to go against a major democrat and you fuckers will whine about it just like you did the electoral college crap
 
SmarterthanYou said:
damages for what crime???????



you're familiar with the founders statement of 'it's better to let 10 guilty men go free than to have 1 innocent imprisoned', right????
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The underlying crime for Trump was Fraud, the underlying crime for O.J. was Murder.

OJ and Trump are free as it relates to those crimes.
 
Jarod said:
THe jury did find Trump committed rape as defined by New York law. Just not in criminal court.
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They specifically found Trump didn't meet the limited definition of criminal rape under NY law. They found he sexually abused her as defined by NY law
When Trump tried to file a motion because Carroll said she was raped the judge ruled that it was rape under the law in other states and most people consider rape to be.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045.212.0.pdf
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The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr.
Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York
Penal Law – a section that provides that the label “rape” as used in criminal prosecutions in New
York applies only to vaginal penetration by a penis. Forcible, unconsented-to penetration of the
vagina or of other bodily orifices by fingers, other body parts, or other articles or materials is not
called “rape” under the New York Penal Law. It instead is labeled “sexual abuse.”1
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The funny thing is, I have a court ruling that shows this statement is true.
Trump is a Rapist!!

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045.212.0.pdf



Can you provide any court that has ruled on your statement? Would you like a court to rule on your statement?

zymurgy said:
you are. A retarded shit stain!

true as one sentence or two
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Perhaps we should get an 8th grade English teacher to rule on your sorry attempt to make it two sentences.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
The funny thing is, I have a court ruling that shows this statement is true.
Trump is a Rapist!!

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045.212.0.pdf



Can you provide any court that has ruled on your statement? Would you like a court to rule on your statement?



Perhaps we should get an 8th grade English teacher to rule on your sorry attempt to make it two sentences.
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yawn

he will probably be your president soon too. (same more likely than not criteria used)

that imbecile yelling at the tv yesterday isn't winning shit
 
SmarterthanYou said:
a 'civil' case just makes it easy for prosecutors to not have to do their job and PUNISH people they don't like.

I get that you sick fucks are all about using civil cases for this, but mark my words, a civil case is going to go against a major democrat and you fuckers will whine about it just like you did the electoral college crap
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The statute of limitations had expired for Trump's rape. Do you think he should be charged with rape? I prefer the law be followed and if a crime isn't charged within the proper time period then no criminal charges can be filed.
But this case was about Trump defaming Carroll. He wasn't being punished for the rape. He is paying up because he lied about Carroll. The money isn't being paid because
Trump is a Rapist!!

Trump lost because he was stupid enough to defame Carroll and then continued to attack her even after he lost the first case. As Carroll's lawyer asked, what is the amount money required to make Trump stop?


When did I whine about the electoral college? It seems the only thing you have is to spread falsehoods. I accept the process of the election. I accept the results of the courts. I may not like them but I accept them.
When are you going to accept the results of the courts and admit that
Trump is a Rapist!!
 
zymurgy said:
yawn

he will probably be your president soon too. (same more likely than not criteria used)

that imbecile yelling at the tv yesterday isn't winning shit
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Was it you yelling at the TV yesterday? Or was it Trump?


For someone to yell at the TV there has to be a television in the room with them.
Or are you so out of touch with reality that you don't even remember what a television is?
 
Jarod said:
The underlying crime for Trump was Fraud, the underlying crime for O.J. was Murder.

OJ and Trump are free as it relates to those crimes.
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and yet they were still convicted based upon the 'preponderance of evidence' that wasn't sufficient at a criminal trial. Again, you statists and haters love being able to do this, but you'd be screaming fascism if this was being done to biden or obama and you fucking know it.
 
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