An idea for bipartisan tax reform

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WTF?

This makes no sense.

So it's unfair to you when we look back on previous tax rates because doing so undermines whatever stupid argument you're trying to make today.

Got it.

I never used the word “unfair”. That is a term reserved for leftists

I said it was disingenuous. Meaning you are purposely being dishonest.

If you want to compare tax codes across decades then you should compare the entire code and not just cherry pick rates that you think fit your argument. Well, you should do that if you aren’t a dishonest fuck wad or a dumb fuck

 

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Slow your roll shit for brains. Go find this post of mine talking about the effective rate

This isn't you?

But you either deliberately leave out the other rates or are unaware of them.

What "other rates"?

 

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No, no. You don't get to Bush-Off yourself now. You're the one who cried that it was unfair for us to look at marginal rates. So...what rates would you have us look at?

When did I use the word unfair? I never did. I didn’t bring up effective rates in this thread either.

I merely accurately pointed out that when you leftists fondly speak of the marginal tax rates of years gone by you ONLY talk about the top rate and conveniently ignore the rest of them.

 

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No, it means higher deficits and no economic growth.

just the opposite has happened, and how dare an Obama supporter complain about deficit, omg

Conservatives said their tax cut would increase wages by at least $4,000.

It didn't.

where do you get these things from, you make shit up, which is why no one takes you seriously

 

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I never used the word “unfair”. That is a term reserved for leftist

You didn't use the exact word but that was clearly the intent.

Conservative arguments always collapse the moment facts are entered into the debate...no different now with you.

I said it was disingenuous. Meaning you are purposely being dishonest.

What is disingenuous? Mentioning that the marginal rates were higher back then? How is that disingenuous?

Why do I get the sense that you're just shitting forth random words in the hopes that eventually, one will stick?

f you want to compare tax codes across decades then you should compare the entire code and not just cherry pick rates that you think fit your argument

I don't know what you mean. We said that during the periods of prosperity of the late 40's-60's, the marginal tax rate on the top was as high as 90%.

You took issue with that, but it's not clear why. Are you denying that those were the marginal rates? What has got your panties in a twist? Articulate yourself.

Well, you should do that if you aren’t a dishonest fuck wad or a dumb fuck

How does one "compare the entire tax code" when we're talking exclusively about raising top marginal rates?

What does the rest of the tax code have to do with that?

 

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Wow there is a lot to unpack here

First I never used the word “unfair”. Nor did I imply it. I used the word disingenuous. If you think they mean the same thing then that is just proof of your ignorance.

Now what is disingenuous is that leftists speak of the tax rates of long ago as if the top rate was the only rate that had any impact. They never speak of the other rates.

My argument has always and always will be if you want to bring about the top rate thinking that 1950s rate led to all of this prosperity then you should talk about ALL of it. It is the only valid comparison.

I really couldn’t be anymore clear. You are just too ignorant to know it

PS

Did you find a post of mine in this thread referring to effective rates or was that “implied” too?

 

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This isn't you?



What "other rates"?

The other marginal rates shit for brains

Are you another dumb fuck leftists that literally has to have everything spelled out for you?

I never used the term effective rate. Now admit you lied

 

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When did I use the word unfair? I never did. I didn’t bring up effective rates in this thread either.

Then what are you talking about here?

But you either deliberately leave out the other rates or are unaware of them.

I merely accurately pointed out that when you leftists fondly speak of the marginal tax rates of years gone by you ONLY talk about the top rate and conveniently ignore the rest of them.

So...you want us to mention what the other brackets were in 1950-60? That accomplishes, what? How does that change the argument?

 

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just the opposite has happened

Wrong.

The deficit is now about $900B, up from the $550B Obama left.

Economic growth for 2018 didn't hit 3% either.

where do you get these things from

From Trump's White House:

Reducing the statutory federal corporate tax rate from 35 to 20 percent would, the analysis below suggests, increase average household income in the United States by, very conservatively, $4,000 annually.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/documents/Tax Reform and Wages.pdf

Kill yourself.

 

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First I never used the word “unfair”. Nor did I imply it. I used the word disingenuous. If you think they mean the same thing then that is just proof of your ignorance

You call it disingenuous because it undermines your argument.

That's the only reason why.

 

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Now what is disingenuous is that leftists speak of the tax rates of long ago as if the top rate was the only rate that had any impact.

Now this is an example of being disingenuous.

No one has said this. This is a straw man you are foisting on the rest of us.

I'm happy to compare all the marginal tax brackets between years. You're the one that doesn't want to because you keep shifting the goalposts on what you find acceptable to the debate.

Seriously, fuck you for thinking that.

 

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They never speak of the other rates

What other rates?!?!

Do you mean the effective rate?

Do you mean the other marginal rates?

What do the other marginal rates have to do with raising the top rate or establishing a new top rate?

You're just lazy.

 

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The simple fact, unfortunately is Obama has us so far in debt we may never get out of it.

So now the question is do you want to prosper as a country, increase revenue through more people working and earning higher wages, with common sense spending cuts as we go.
OR

take the liberal path of raising our taxes in hopes that the government will spend the extra money we give them more wisely this time?
that's asinine and naive

it's a pretty simple choice, unless you're a nut bag that believes in bigger government

 

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My argument has always and always will be if you want to bring about the top rate thinking that 1950s rate led to all of this prosperity then you should talk about ALL of it. It is the only valid comparison.

I am more than happy to return to the tax code as it was in 1955.

You're the ones who don't want that.

 

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I really couldn’t be anymore clear. You are just too ignorant to know it

No, what's happening is that you're constructing a straw man argument and then screeching about how unfair it is.

What "other rates"? This is the fifth fucking time I've asked. Your continued avoidance says more about you than it does about my position.

 

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I am more than happy to return to the tax code as it was in 1955.

You're the ones who don't want that.

omg, you still babbling about marginal tax rates and the tax code of 1955.

you don't have any idea how stupid you sound, do you

 

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You call it disingenuous because it undermines your argument.

That's the only reason why.

I call it disingenuous because it is disingenuous

I never used the word unfair. That is your delusion

 

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Did you find a post of mine in this thread referring to effective rates or was that “implied” too?

Well, you refuse to actually articulate what you're talking about.

You shift the bar, nonsensically, while foisting straw men on the debate because you're too fucking lazy to make a coherent argument.

So your argument is that raising the top marginal rate is unfair because you're not talking about nebulous "other rates"?

What "other rates"? What are you talking about?

 

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The other marginal rates shit for brains

What do the other marginal rates have to do with the top one?

 

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I am more than happy to return to the tax code as it was in 1955.

You're the ones who don't want that.

The entire tax code? All the same rates?

Same deductions?

I say bring it the fuck on. Shit I would love for the poor to start paying their fair share for a change.

I would take the entire 1955 tax code. But it has to be top to bottom. No cherry picking rates.

Now you aren’t being disingenuous

Was it that hard?