QP!
Verified User
That has nothing to do with the 'weight concern'.
Weight being an issue does not go away just because you choose it.
So again, answer why now 'weight' is a concern and yet was not prior?
Analysis: EVs will top two-thirds of global car sales by 2030. MAGA soils diapers.
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That has nothing to do with the 'weight concern'.
Weight being an issue does not go away just because you choose it.
So again, answer why now 'weight' is a concern and yet was not prior?
QP!
Verified User
Yup.
I am just pointing out Terry's non stop stream of hypocrisy.
Terry : 'ZOMG WEIGHT IS A PROBLEM!!!'
Hey Terry what about the weight gains from small econo box and sedans to SUV's and Mini Vans.
Terry : 'WHEN THE WEIGHT GAIN IS VOLUNTARY IT FEELS LIGHTER AND HAS NO IMPACT. SO NO PROBLEMS THERE AND THIS IS NOT A FAKE CONCERN'
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Because, EV's across all vehicle types add 500 to 1000+ pounds to the vehicle weight. Right now, EV SUV and trucks are few in number, but that will have to change if the government is going to even have a shred of hope of getting the public to buy into owning an EV.
That means at some point every vehicle on the road will be heavier than it is now. That extra weight will have an effect on road wear as well as on other infrastructure.
The average weight of ICEs is over 4300 lbs. The Chevy Bolt weighs 3600 and change. That is lighter by 700 lbs. Think of that poor pitiful infrastructure.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Apples to rutabagas. You are making an existential fallacy there. You take the average weight of all ICE vehicles (a universal value if you will) and then compare that to a specific EV vehicle weight chosen by you to make your argument valid. That, of course, doesn't include that your figures are unsubstantiated and wrong.
The average ICE vehicle weighs between 2900 and 3200 lbs.
The average EV vehicle weighs about 4000 lbs.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure...ssenger-cars-and-corresponding_tbl1_353150136
https://www.axios.com/2023/04/28/evs-weight-safety-problems
https://www.myevreview.com/electric-cars-weight-comparison-chart
That's a fair comparison between the average weights of the two types.
Oh, there is another angle to this. Heavier vehicles create more safety issues in terms of accidents and damage.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
Good points. TA Garbler is going to be sorely disappointed when he finds that the extra weight will have a negligible effect on road wear and will do nothing to inhibit the EV sales trends. But TA Garbler continues to masturbate to the idea that it could.
What a MAGA moron.
QP!
Verified User
we went from the 1980's with the bulk of families driving econo boxes, like this...
to a big change and everyone driving these...
So let me quote your post again with slight changes and tell me why no one GAF about this concern then..
T. A. GardnerDerp said:
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
I find it impractical to give a fat fuck about 2030,
so you kids will have to work this shit out
for yourselves.
so you kids will have to work this shit out
for yourselves.
Bullshit.
Heavy EVs Pose Threat of Parking Structure Collapses
EVs are much heavier than gas vehicles, and that's posing safety
problems
Experts fear deteriorating parking lots could collapse under the weight of heavy electric vehicles, says report
NTSB head warns of risks posed by heavy electric vehicles colliding with lighter cars
QP!
Verified User
You do not cite anything in my post that is inaccurate. I am not saying EV's are not currently heavier, as a class and thus POTENTIALLY, as numbers rise going to put more of a burden on infrastructure. I am saying we had a similar issue as we moved from econo box to SUV, and Mini vans for the bulk population. They too put pressure on the infrastructure. Many parkades,e tc could not fit them. MOre wear on roads, etc.
Again, almost all of you guys complaints are based on the EV technology as it is today, at the BEGINNINGS of the mass production curve. A time when improvements tend to come fast and furious as multi company competition and Venture Capital all pursue the improvements.
the below is one of many, on deck...
QP!
Verified User
Once upon a time derps argued the home pc market would never reach the masses as computers were big slow and expensive and looked like this...
Once upon a time derps argued the car would never replace the horse and buggy as anything other than a rich person toy, as there were no paved roads, no infrature (fuel stations) and they were not were big slow and expensive and looked like this...
And we could do the same for almost every big technological advancement.
There is one thing we can count on 100% is that derps will always try and say the technology at the very beginnings of the mass competition, mass production curve will never be any better in the future than it is today and they will try to label it dead in the water based on where it is today when comparing it to technologies that have already gone thru their improvement curves for decades.
So in the end we just have to accept that 'Derps gonna Derp' and if we listen to them we would never advance ANY technology.
Once upon a time derps argued the car would never replace the horse and buggy as anything other than a rich person toy, as there were no paved roads, no infrature (fuel stations) and they were not were big slow and expensive and looked like this...
And we could do the same for almost every big technological advancement.
There is one thing we can count on 100% is that derps will always try and say the technology at the very beginnings of the mass competition, mass production curve will never be any better in the future than it is today and they will try to label it dead in the water based on where it is today when comparing it to technologies that have already gone thru their improvement curves for decades.
So in the end we just have to accept that 'Derps gonna Derp' and if we listen to them we would never advance ANY technology.
QP!
Verified User
Sure thing. Just as like with all new Tech, whiners, cry babies and complainers need to act like 'improvements' is not a thing until it is.
nothing new to see here. Same old shit. New technology day.
And btw :
- battery range is already not an issue for the vast majority of the driving public
- fire concerns are lees than what we have with ICE vehicles so this is an improvement TODAY that is only getting better
- purchase price has already varied to a range big enough that almost anyone who wants an EV can get one in a comparable price range to the ICE vehicles.
- Insurance is a function of volume and as more hit the road, pricing comes down
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
QPI,
what about those of us who recognize all of the valid reasons
for transitioning to electric vehicles
but don't care because we really like big V8s?
Calling us whiners, cry babies, and complainers
is not a great effort at making your argument.
If anything,
wouldn't that encourage us
to dig in harder in defense
of what WE care about?
Have you spent your entire life
never experiencing what it means
to be part of a fierce resistance?
If so,
it's possible that your life
is missing a major experience.
No disrespect.
Just offering an chance to observe from a different view.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
Analysis. Because we made laws where 2/3 of all vehicles must be EVs by <insert year here> we predict that 2/3 of all vehicle sales will be EVs in that year!
We made laws where 2/3 of all vehicles must be EVs by <insert year here>???
Really? You want to show us this law you speak of?
No? There is no such law? You mean you're just bullshitting us again?
I'm shocked!
You need to step up your bullshit game, DamoCletus. Your bullshit isn't sticking.
We made laws where 2/3 of all vehicles must be EVs by <insert year here>???
Really? You want to show us this law you speak of?
No? There is no such law? You mean you're just bullshitting us again?
I'm shocked!
You need to step up your bullshit game, DamoCletus. Your bullshit isn't sticking.
Gods you folks are too easy...
California is requiring 100% of new cars be EVs by 2035...
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/do...nly requiring,and fuel cell electric vehicles.
The same law requires that by 2030 68% have to be EVs and by 2035 all of them. By 2026, just 35%... but I think you are getting it.
You truly are bad at thinking...
Big V8s will be available for your entire lifetime. They are not banned from the road nor being bought and sold. Eventualy, you will b
not be able to purchase a brand-new pollution vehicle. But they are not evaporating.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
California?
The title of the thread is: EVs will top two-thirds of global car sales by 2030..
Did you get that, Damocletus? GLOBAL, not California.
My God, you MAGA morons are truly cognitively challenged.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
All new cars in the EU will be zero-emission by 2035. Here's where the U.S. stands
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/30/1166921698/eu-zero-emission-cars
EU countries approve 2035 phaseout of CO2-emitting cars
https://www.reuters.com/business/au...e-2035-phaseout-co2-emitting-cars-2023-03-28/
China joins list of nations banning the sale of old-style fossil-fuelled vehicles
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020...n hybrid – the remaining 50%, hybrid vehicles.
China’s transition to electric vehicles
https://energy.mit.edu/news/chinas-transition-to-electric-vehicles/
States banning the sale of new gas-powered vehicles
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/states-banning-sale-gas-powered-vehicles/story?id=88895372
Fascist dictatorial government is the driving force behind the increase in EV sales. There is no other reason. The EV would be dead and buried, just as it has been every time it has been tried in the market for over 150 years now. That's it. Government is forcing them down the public's throats, no exceptions.