and the gop wants to cut back on food stamps...hunger in america

General Buck Turgidson said:
The fraud rate in the program is about 1%. It'd probably be impossible to get it lower than that and, if you could, you'd probably spend more in fighting fraud than the fraudsters would take in the first instance.

Yes, it is outrageous to spend $80 billion on food stamps (that's the likely fiscal 2012 number, but is isn't an "every year" number) but I don't see the alternative in this economy. People gotta eat, and living on food stamps is a miserable existence as it is already.
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Really? A family of 4 receives $668. per month in SNAP benefits if they qualify, that works out to about $160.00 per week +/-.... Now I have a family of four, two adults, and two adult children, and our weekly grocery spending is between $150, and $200....And both myself and my wife bust our asses to earn that...Miserable?
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
The fraud rate in the program is about 1%. It'd probably be impossible to get it lower than that and, if you could, you'd probably spend more in fighting fraud than the fraudsters would take in the first instance.

Yes, it is outrageous to spend $80 billion on food stamps (that's the likely fiscal 2012 number, but is isn't an "every year" number) but I don't see the alternative in this economy. People gotta eat, and living on food stamps is a miserable existence as it is already.
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Thats $800,000,000.....wasted....and thats ONLY one program of many "social welfare" programs....just ONE.....

The truth is, we don't have a clue the extent of welfare money wasted in this country....its out of control......

the fact that its a needed program notwithstanding....it needs oversight and we won't get it with these liberals in control....and maybe not with present day conservatives either.....
 
j-mac said:
Really? A family of 4 receives $668. per month in SNAP benefits if they qualify, that works out to about $160.00 per week +/-.... Now I have a family of four, two adults, and two adult children, and our weekly grocery spending is between $150, and $200....And both myself and my wife bust our asses to earn that...Miserable?
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That's the maximum benefit that a family of 4 can possibly receive. The average is substantially lower. And given the income and asset requirements to qualify for SNAP benefits, I can assure that it is a miserable existence. It isn't debatable, j-mac.
 
:tantrum: Da mean ow wepubwicans wants to not pay for da food for da poor peopows! wahahahahhhhaaa!

The US currently has more people on food stamps than EVER IN HISTORY!

Yet... THIS is the sort of whining and moaning the left wants to do, while we are faced with yet another fiscal year of $1+ trillion in deficit spending. No explanation as to how we are supposed to pay for things, other than to gut the military and tax 'rich people' some more. No rationalization on just how much we are overspending on a yearly basis. None of this matters, they are like spoiled little 18-month-olds who need a nap!
 
bravo said:
Thats $800,000,000.....wasted....and thats ONLY one program of many "social welfare" programs....just ONE.....

The truth is, we don't have a clue the extent of welfare money wasted in this country....its out of control......

the fact that its a needed program notwithstanding....it needs oversight and we won't get it with these liberals in control....and maybe not with present day conservatives either.....
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What is your solution? No food for them?
 
bravo said:
Thats $800,000,000.....wasted....and thats ONLY one program of many "social welfare" programs....just ONE.....

The truth is, we don't have a clue the extent of welfare money wasted in this country....its out of control......

the fact that its a needed program notwithstanding....it needs oversight and we won't get it with these liberals in control....and maybe not with present day conservatives either.....
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Your attention to detail and extensive factual support make your arguments so compelling.
 
Dixie said:
:tantrum: Da mean ow wepubwicans wants to not pay for da food for da poor peopows! wahahahahhhhaaa!

The US currently has more people on food stamps than EVER IN HISTORY!

Yet... THIS is the sort of whining and moaning the left wants to do, while we are faced with yet another fiscal year of $1+ trillion in deficit spending. No explanation as to how we are supposed to pay for things, other than to gut the military and tax 'rich people' some more. No rationalization on just how much we are overspending on a yearly basis. None of this matters, they are like spoiled little 18-month-olds who need a nap!
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The US has the most people EVER IN HISTORY and is coming out of the worst recession SINCE THE FOOD STAMP PROGRAM WAS INITIATED. Why would expect anything other than what he have up there is an attractive red font?
 
WinterBorn said:
If you claim that this is the worst economy since the Great Depression, then you cannot deny that a large portion of the country needs help. This is help with food. Hard to see that as a bad thing.
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It also helps the economy, people buy food.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
That's the maximum benefit that a family of 4 can possibly receive. The average is substantially lower. And given the income and asset requirements to qualify for SNAP benefits, I can assure that it is a miserable existence. It isn't debatable, j-mac.
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Yep, it also in the table had the average SNAP allotment for a family of 4 at $496.00, that equals $125.00 per week, still not bad considering that in order to feed their family they'd have to come up with about $25 per week to make up the difference. Also keep in mind that the rules now allow you to make 130% of poverty level to qualify for this...Which according to HHS in 2012 for a family of 4 is $23,050 per year, times 1.30 to qualify for SNAP equals $29,965. or slightly more than $600. per week, or $15 per hour for a single earner...That's pretty good if you ask me...
 
Bijou said:
What's your solution? Let them starve?
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Yep and that includes the children he doesn't wnt to abort and old people. The working poor are the ones most affected. People seem to believe food stamp recipients are all freeloaders, and they aren't! These people have so many misconceptions!
 
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Do you actually know how much is food....not soap, paper plates, light bulbs, and the 50 other items we buy in grocery stores unrelated to food...
and how many other programs do these people also participate in.....

Welfare is cash for families
Section 8 pays rent
Food Stamps for food
WIC Extra food for Women With Infant Children
Medicaid is medical coverage
HEAP Emergency Heating payments

This assistance is meant for and NEEDED for families in distress. Its not
to be made a way of life for years and years and sometimes generations.

Its slavery to the government....

I personally purchased food for elderly shutins that could not shop for
themselves and $100 in food per month was more that one person could
possibly eat....and this was usually ready made goods that required little
to no cooking....expensive
I also realize that since BO is in the drivers seat, food, along with everything is getting more and more costly.

How do you explain one store that nets 600,000 dollars in food stamp
fraud alone and claim these people are starving...???
 
j-mac said:
Yep, it also in the table had the average SNAP allotment for a family of 4 at $496.00, that equals $125.00 per week, still not bad considering that in order to feed their family they'd have to come up with about $25 per week to make up the difference. Also keep in mind that the rules now allow you to make 130% of poverty level to qualify for this...Which according to HHS in 2012 for a family of 4 is $23,050 per year, times 1.30 to qualify for SNAP equals $29,965. or slightly more than $600. per week, or $15 per hour for a single earner...That's pretty good if you ask me...
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'Pretty good'?

When did you last try to support four people on a 15-dollar-per-hour income?
 
bravo said:
Do you actually know how much is food....not soap, paper plates, light bulbs, and the 50 other items we buy in grocery stores unrelated to food...
and how many other programs do these people also participate in.....

Welfare is cash for families
Section 8 pays rent
Food Stamps for food
WIC Extra food for Women With Infant Children
Medicaid is medical coverage
HEAP Emergency Heating payments

This assistance is meant for and NEEDED for families in distress. Its not
to be made a way of life for years and years and sometimes generations.

Its slavery to the government....

I personally purchased food for elderly shutins that could not shop for
themselves and $100 in food per month was more that one person could
possibly eat....and this was usually ready made goods that required little
to no cooking....expensive
I also realize that since BO is in the drivers seat, food, along with everything is getting more and more costly.

How do you explain one store that nets 600,000 dollars in food stamp
fraud alone and claim these people are starving...???
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You are so misinformed it makes me laugh!
 
Rana said:
Yep and that includes the children he doesn't wnt to abort and old people. The working poor are the ones most affected. People seem to believe food stamp recipients are all freeloaders, and they aren't! These people have so many misconceptions!
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Yes that's right, I don't want to kill children and old people so the younger generation can continue to spend irresponsibly.
 
bravo said:
Well, if it looks like the little fucks will be a getting welfare/food stamps, etc., after birth, abort them before it gets that far.....
Thats Apples solution to the hungry parasites....
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I know! Isn't it ridiculous!

Look at all those black zygotes driving around in their welfare Cadillacs!
 
Rana said:
Yep and that includes the children he doesn't wnt to abort and old people. The working poor are the ones most affected. People seem to believe food stamp recipients are all freeloaders, and they aren't! These people have so many misconceptions!
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That is a complete strawman that is made up by the liberal left, set to demonize the right, and strike fear into those using these programs now cynically to garner votes and keep the "working poor" on the liberal plantation. Do you have anything other than talking points of the DailyKOS, and DemoUnderground to back you up, or shall we just go on your say so?
 
Dixie said:
:tantrum: Da mean ow wepubwicans wants to not pay for da food for da poor peopows! wahahahahhhhaaa!

The US currently has more people on food stamps than EVER IN HISTORY!

Yet... THIS is the sort of whining and moaning the left wants to do, while we are faced with yet another fiscal year of $1+ trillion in deficit spending. No explanation as to how we are supposed to pay for things, other than to gut the military and tax 'rich people' some more. No rationalization on just how much we are overspending on a yearly basis. None of this matters, they are like spoiled little 18-month-olds who need a nap!
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Bullshit, Dixie. There have been plenty of discussions of how spending can be cut without taking the food out of the mouths of the poorest in this country.

For starters, how about defense spending?
http://relevant.at/wirtschaft/print...rt-new-market-research-report-published.story
"US defense spending had a total budget allocation of $705.6 billion in 2011, representing a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 6.4% between 2007 and 2011."

We can cut 12.5% of the total defense spending and net a bigger gain than from cutting the entire foodstamp program.

Given the huge amounts of money spent on defense, corporate welfare, and other wastes, the fact that you are throwing a tantrum because some of us balk at cutting the most basic safety net is laughable.
 
j-mac said:
That is a complete strawman that is made up by the liberal left, set to demonize the right, and strike fear into those using these programs now cynically to garner votes and keep the "working poor" on the liberal plantation. Do you have anything other than talking points of the DailyKOS, and DemoUnderground to back you up, or shall we just go on your say so?
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More righty code-speak.

The sad truth about the Bigot Party and its idiot followers is that they're too stupid to grasp the notion that as their policies continue to create increasing numbers of poor people, those poor people will naturally seek the leadership of those that promise to help them in their time of need.

It ain't rocket science. It only seems like a sinister plan if you're a right-wing imbecile.
 
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