Ann Romney Has No Dignity?

Superfreak said:
I think if they come out and state a position on a policy, then that position can be addressed. As can be the case for the contender's spouse as well. That said, the liberals have shown what attacking for the sake of attacking can do. They look completely foolish for making up stories and trying to use them to discredit Ann Romney.
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Two additional examples came to mind. Michelle Obama and her working on behalf of childrens health and some people started calling her fat. First off she is not fat she has curves but even that is irrelevent. There was zero need to attack her for that work other than people didn't like her husband so they went after her.

Hillary Clinton said during Bill's campaign you are basically getting a two-for-one with us and then she got heavily involved in the health care legislation which did put her in play imo as far as critiquing the legislation and her role in it.

In general though yes I agree that attacking the wife because you don't like the husband is weak and an area people should stay away from.
 
Derp Derp said:
Well ok but dont' cry foul when Michelle Obama gets put in the cross hairs.
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I'm not putting her in the cross hairs, nor am I attacking her. I am pointing out a few things:

-Few women in america enjoy the "choice" Ann made in staying home.
-of those who do, even fewer have the staff Ann enjoys.
-Her husband has come out and said that poor women who are stay at home moms, need to go to work to get "dignity".
-making the statement that ann romney never worked a day in her life (badly stated, and hyperbolic) is NOT saying that stay at home moms do not work. Ann herself conflated those two things, and further, referred to the entire debate as an "early birthday present".
-once a president or presidential candidate names his wife as the person who is advising him on women's economic concerns, her qualifications and experience with women's economic concerns needs to be examined.

BTW Mott, Ann can take it. She clearly is enjoying it since she called it an early birthday present. She dished it out fast enough. She wants it. I'm giving it to her.

She doesn't need you to ride in on your white horse yelling "leave the lady alone".

The ladies can duke this out without your protection.
 
cawacko said:
Two additional examples came to mind. Michelle Obama and her working on behalf of childrens health and some people started calling her fat. First off she is not fat she has curves but even that is irrelevent. There was zero need to attack her for that work other than people didn't like her husband so they went after her.

Hillary Clinton said during Bill's campaign you are basically getting a two-for-one with us and then she got heavily involved in the health care legislation which did put her in play imo as far as critiquing the legislation and her role in it.

In general though yes I agree that attacking the wife because you don't like the husband is weak and an area people should stay away from.
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Hillary was always fair game since she was her husband's acknowledged adviser. Choosing to make sexist attacks against her, as most on the right did at that time, is something very different.

Just as responding to Michelle's healthy kids campaign by calling her fat is a sexist, stupid, and out of bounds personal attack. however, criticizing her methods, or the campaign itself, is fine. In fact, anyone who wants to come out for unhealthy kids should absolutely do so.
 
Darla said:
I'm not putting her in the cross hairs, nor am I attacking her. I am pointing out a few things:

-Few women in america enjoy the "choice" Ann made in staying home.
-of those who do, even fewer have the staff Ann enjoys.
-Her husband has come out and said that poor women who are stay at home moms, need to go to work to get "dignity".
-making the statement that ann romney never worked a day in her life (badly stated, and hyperbolic) is NOT saying that stay at home moms do not work. Ann herself conflated those two things, and further, referred to the entire debate as an "early birthday present".
-once a president or presidential candidate names his wife as the person who is advising him on women's economic concerns, her qualifications and experience with women's economic concerns needs to be examined.

BTW Mott, Ann can take it. She clearly is enjoying it since she called it an early birthday present. She dished it out fast enough. She wants it. I'm giving it to her.

She doesn't need you to ride in on your white horse yelling "leave the lady alone".

The ladies can duke this out without your protection.
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By all means, tell us of this staff Ann had when raising her kids...
 
It certainly seems to neutralize the issue. From the way Romney's campaign was talking last week, I expected them to frame much of the early part of the national debate around that strategist's comments.

Now, not so much...
 
Derp Derp said:
I think if the first lady's are smart, that is unless they are lke Hillary Clinton and take and active part in the political process (which made her fair game in my eyes) they would stay out of the political process and then the political opposition is obligated to leave them the hell alone.
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Few first ladies have ever stayed out. They have always advised their husbands to varying degrees. Even Abigal Adams. There is nothing wrong with looking at the potential first lady. I looked at Michelle very hard during the campaign, and she was part of the reason I went with Obama over Hillary (in retrospect a huge mistake on my part and one I would never make again).
 
Darla said:
Are you calling me ignorant? Speak plainly.
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On the issue of how Ann raised her kids... absolutely. You are ignorant. You, like many other liberals, are parroting the 'she had nannies and maids raise her kids' line of bullshit. Her kids have come out and stated they did not have nannies/maids/mommy helpers when they were growing up.
 
Superfreak said:
By all means, tell us of this staff Ann had when raising her kids...
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Oh I read your horseshit. She has four maids but they aren't paid enough to do all that work. I thought that was hysterical.

of course she has staff. Her husband is mind-boggling wealthy.

But more to the point - do you agree with Mitt that women who stay at home to raise children should go to work to get "dignity"?

I notice you and yours are running from that like your hair is on fire.

Stay at home mom's have no dignity - Mitt Romney. Why I'm gonna get it put on a t shirt.
 
Darla said:
Oh I read your horseshit. She has four maids but they aren't paid enough to do all that work. I thought that was hysterical.

of course she has staff. Her husband is mind-boggling wealthy.

But more to the point - do you agree with Mitt that women who stay at home to raise children should go to work to get "dignity"?

I notice you and yours are running from that like your hair is on fire.

Stay at home mom's have no dignity - Mitt Romney. Why I'm gonna get it put on a t shirt.
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LMAO... that is their staff as of 2010. their youngest son was 28 in 2010.
 
Darla said:
Few first ladies have ever stayed out. They have always advised their husbands to varying degrees. Even Abigal Adams. There is nothing wrong with looking at the potential first lady. I looked at Michelle very hard during the campaign, and she was part of the reason I went with Obama over Hillary (in retrospect a huge mistake on my part and one I would never make again).
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Do you mean that in retrospect you would have rather supported Hillary over Obama or just that you gave too much weight to the spouse in making your decision and you won't do that again?
 
Superfreak said:
On the issue of how Ann raised her kids... absolutely. You are ignorant. You, like many other liberals, are parroting the 'she had nannies and maids raise her kids' line of bullshit. Her kids have come out and stated they did not have nannies/maids/mommy helpers when they were growing up.
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They're full of shit too. Of course she had paid help. I can't wait until it comes out that they weren't paying taxes or something like that. It always does. Always does.

Anyway, her kids are long grown. She's been sitting around on her ass doing nothing for years. She better go get a job to give her some dignity.
 
cawacko said:
Do you mean that in retrospect you would have rather supported Hillary over Obama or just that you gave too much weight to the spouse in making your decision and you won't do that again?
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Both. I thought the fact that Obama had married someone as smart, driven, and strong as Michelle meant something about him. It doesn't. I find him very condescending towards women. I have no idea what Michelle saw in him, but I made a mistake on that.

And I should have supported Hillary because Obama sucks, and I gave up the first woman president for this bullshit.
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO... that is their staff as of 2010. their youngest son was 28 in 2010.
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LMAO I'm sure she was struggling with no staff at all in 1998.

Whatever SF. She's got nothing in common with your average woman, and if she's advising Mitt on the economic concerns of average women, maybe she needs to get a job so she can get some dignity and then comment. That's what Mitt says anyway. Shrug.
 
Darla said:
Oh I read your horseshit. She has four maids but they aren't paid enough to do all that work. I thought that was hysterical.

of course she has staff. Her husband is mind-boggling wealthy.

But more to the point - do you agree with Mitt that women who stay at home to raise children should go to work to get "dignity"?

I notice you and yours are running from that like your hair is on fire.

Stay at home mom's have no dignity - Mitt Romney. Why I'm gonna get it put on a t shirt.
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As for the 'dignity' issue, that has long been an issue for those on welfare. The lack of perceived 'dignity' for having to rely upon the government dime. Mitt was not stating that all women who stay at home lack 'dignity'. I know for many liberals there is nothing wrong with living off of welfare, but for many of those on it they would like nothing more than to be provided the opportunity to make their own way. Many on welfare are single parents (mainly single moms) who cannot afford to work because they lack the ability to pay for daycare. It is not because they are lazy, but more because they cannot do both. I think (and could be wrong) that is what Mitt was referring to. That by paying for the daycare, he would provide the ability for those single parents on welfare the opportunity to work and potentially break the cycle.

I know this is not something liberals want to hear though. They prefer to keep a good chunk of the population under government control.
 
Darla said:
...according to her husband. You can't have it both ways. Either being a stay at home mom is work, or stay at home moms need to go to work to gain some dignity. It doesn't matter who is paying you to stay home with your kids - your fabulously wealthy husband, or the federal government. It's work, or it's not work. Period.

Mitt Romney says it's not work.

I've watched this entire "controversy" and it really has been hysterical. This is always about class, but the rubes always fall for it. A lot of poor women, struggling women, lower middle class women, even struggling middle class women, get their backs up and start waving around flags, wanting a parade "How dare you say I don't work!". Well, Rosen said Ann Romney doesn't work. And she doesn't. This is the deep ignorance on the part of the American people of how the wealthy live. Ann Romney doesn't change diapers, she doesn't wash floors, she doesn't cook dinner, she doesn't put gas in her own car, she doesn't change beds, she doesn't make beds, she doesn't do wash, she doesn't mend clothes, she doesn't do food shopping...Ann Romney does shit. She does not work.

And then you have the bifurcation of mothers - stay at home and working moms. As if working mothers weren't mothers. My mother worked. She came home every single night and cooked dinner for her kids. My mother worked, and she was a mom. Now to me, that is the hardest job in the world, so I reject straight out of hand the very idea that being a stay at home mom is the "hardest job in the world". It's not. But it's work.

Your average stay at home mom has absolutely nothing in common with Ann Romney. Your average stay at home mom works. She sweats. She cuts coupons. She's up nights worrying if there will be enough money for the mortgage that month. She stretches food with clever cooking methods so her grocery expenses are less. She has a lot in common with working moms who do all of that, plus handle the demands of an employer who tells her when to be where, and what to do when she gets there. But she has nothing in common with Ann Romney.

And what is dignity? Does Ann Romney enjoy dignity? If so, what bestows dignity on her? Obviously it's not being a stay at home mom, because Mitt Romney has stated that these women who are stay at home moms did not have dignity bestowed onto them. They have to "Go to work" and get some. The only possible answer is that Ann Romney has dignity because being married to a wealthy man gave it to her.

Mitt and Ann Romney think that most of us, all of us really, are so far below them they can't see us. This is class. This is class warfare. They won. You rubes don't even realize there was a war. I've never seen more bullshit written on any subject than I have seen written about this.

One final note - if anyone here knew anything about feminism they'd know that many feminists have written text, some of it peer-reviewed academic text, advocating for compensation for stay at home moms.

That's right. When you get right down to it only one group of people in this country truly believe mothering is work - feminists who want to pay women for it. The rest of you don't really believe it at all. It's just a tribal argument to you.

WASHINGTON -- Poor women who stay at home to raise their children should be given federal assistance for child care so that they can enter the job market and "have the dignity of work," Mitt Romney said in January, undercutting the sense of extreme umbrage he showed when Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen quipped last week that Ann Romney had not "worked a day in her life."

The remark, made to a Manchester, N.H., audience, was unearthed by MSNBC's "Up w/Chris Hayes," and aired during the 8 a.m. hour of his show Sunday.

Ann Romney and her husband's campaign fired back hard at Rosen following her remark. "I made a choice to stay home and raise five boys. Believe me, it was hard work," Romney said on Twitter.

On Sunday, Romney spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg told The Huffington Post in an email, "Moving welfare recipients into work was one of the basic principles of the bipartisan welfare reform legislation that President Clinton signed into law. The sad fact is that under President Obama the poverty rate among women rose to 14.5 percent in 2011, the highest rate in 17 years. The Obama administration's economic policies have been devastating to women and families."

Mitt Romney, however, judging by his January remark, views stay-at-home moms who are supported by federal assistance much differently than those backed by hundreds of millions in private equity income. Poor women, he said, shouldn't be given a choice, but instead should be required to work outside the home to receive Temporary Assistance for Needy Families benefits. "[E]ven if you have a child 2 years of age, you need to go to work," Romney said of moms on TANF.

Recalling his effort as governor to increase the amount of time women on welfare in Massachusetts were required to work, Romney noted that some had considered his proposal "heartless," but he argued that the women would be better off having "the dignity of work" -- a suggestion Ann Romney would likely take issue with.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/15/mitt-romney-mothers-welfare-moms_n_1426113.html
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which describes mittens better, etch-a-sketch or weather vane
 
Darla said:
LMAO I'm sure she was struggling with no staff at all in 1998.

Whatever SF. She's got nothing in common with your average woman, and if she's advising Mitt on the economic concerns of average women, maybe she needs to get a job so she can get some dignity and then comment. That's what Mitt says anyway. Shrug.
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LMAO... again, you liberals are 'sure' she had staff to help her raise her kids. Despite her kids saying that was not the case. Also, in 1998, her youngest was 17.

I love how you think you get to determine what she does and does not have in common with the average woman. Do you know anything about her? Or are you just lining up to receive your cracker? which is it lil parrot?
 
Derp Derp said:
I don't care if Ann Romney ever worked a day in her life or not. Her husband is running for office. Not her. Criticize Mitt all you want but leave Ann out of it. Yea.... I agree....raising 5 sons when you have millions to pay for maids, chauffers, laborers, nanny's etc aint just quite the same as your average stay at home mom but she's still not running for office. Mitt is. Leave the lady alone.
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I would usually agree, but he was the one who put her in the spotlight as his advisor on economics, so then the question follows, what does she know?
 
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