Another day in America

Been there many time as one of my sons lives in Lexington , really nice

It is really nice. The airport was nice too. I was doing overnights there when the Blink 128 crash happened in Sept 2008. They removed the aircraft fairly quickly since it was blocking a road but the burned out area was still there on the East end of the RWY 10.

Some airport runways end in cliffs or drop offs like Columbia which is what really fucked them up. If it had been flat or had an EMAS (which I think it does now) all six would have walked away. Pilot error was involved too due to the failure to continue taking off after V1*.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/4-dead-in-sc-plane-crash/
Officials said the plane carrying six people was departing shortly before midnight Friday when air traffic controllers reporting seeing sparks. The plane hurtled off the end of a runway and came to rest a quarter-mile (400 meters) away on an embankment across a five-lane highway, engulfed in flames.

Barker and DJ AM, whose real name is Adam Goldstein, were in critical but stable condition at a burn center in Augusta, Georgia, on Saturday afternoon, hospital spokeswoman Beth Frits said. Augusta is about 75 miles (120 kilometers) southwest of Columbia.

https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20080919-0
A Learjet 60, N999LJ, operated by Global Exec Aviation, overran runway 11 while departing Columbia Metropolitan Airport, SC (CAE). The pilot, copilot, and two of the four passengers were killed; the two other passengers were seriously injured. The aircraft was destroyed by postcrash fire. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed, and an IFR flight plan was filed for the non-scheduled domestic passenger flight to Los Angeles-Van Nuys Airport, CA (VNY).
The beginning of the takeoff roll appeared normal. However, sparks were observed as the airplane traveled along the runway. The airplane then continued beyond the runway and through the approximately 1,000-foot runway safety area and, beyond that, struck airport lighting, navigation facilities, a perimeter fence, and concrete marker posts. The airplane then crossed a roadway and came to rest when it struck an embankment across the road from the airport.
Postaccident examination of markings and tire debris indicated that the right outboard tire failed first because of underinflation, followed by failures of the other tires. Examination of the engines revealed evidence consistent with high thrust in both engines and indicated that the thrust reversers were stowed when the airplane hit the embankment.
Probable Cause:

The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the operator’s inadequate maintenance of the airplane’s tires, which resulted in multiple tire failures during takeoff roll due to severe underinflation, and the captain’s execution of a rejected takeoff after V1, which was inconsistent with her training and standard operating procedures.

Contributing to the accident were (1) deficiencies in Learjet’s design of and the Federal Aviation Administration’s (FAA) certification of the Learjet Model 60’s thrust reverser system, which permitted the failure of critical systems in the wheel well area to result in uncommanded forward thrust that increased the severity of the accident; (2) the inadequacy of Learjet’s safety analysis and the FAA’s review of it, which failed to detect and correct the thrust reverser and wheel well design deficiencies after a 2001 uncommanded forward thrust accident; (3) inadequate industry training standards for flight crews in tire failure scenarios; and (4) the flight crew’s poor crew resource management.

https://aviation-safety.net/photo/4180/Learjet-60-N999LJ
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*V1 is the speed at which it's safer to take off then to abort the takeoff.
 
It is really nice. The airport was nice too. I was doing overnights there when the Blink 128 crash happened in Sept 2008. They removed the aircraft fairly quickly since it was blocking a road but the burned out area was still there on the East end of the RWY 10.

Some airport runways end in cliffs or drop offs like Columbia which is what really fucked them up. If it had been flat or had an EMAS (which I think it does now) all six would have walked away. Pilot error was involved too due to the failure to continue taking off after V1*.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/4-dead-in-sc-plane-crash/


https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20080919-0


https://aviation-safety.net/photo/4180/Learjet-60-N999LJ


*V1 is the speed at which it's safer to take off then to abort the takeoff.

Wow, been flying into Columbia since 88 AA used to have direct flights from Long Island MacArthur with a stop in Raleigh,727's both were little dink airports then


A lot of these used to fly out of Columbia and Charlotte, fun for short hops

MVA_Shorts_330_at_Minneapolis_-_9_Sept_1983.jpg
 
Wow, been flying into Columbia since 88 AA used to have direct flights from Long Island MacArthur with a stop in Raleigh,727's both were little dink airports then


A lot of these used to fly out of Columbia and Charlotte, fun for short hops

MVA_Shorts_330_at_Minneapolis_-_9_Sept_1983.jpg

LOL on the Shorts! Good solid aircraft, ugly as sin and unpressurized meaning it had to stay below 10,000 feet....not good for passenger comfort around the Appalachians. :)
 
On flights from Columbia to Charlotte, pilot just followed I-77 :laugh:

The original IFR - I Follow Roads vs. the current Instrument Flight Rules.

Helicopter pilots use that method quite a bit. "Geographically disoriented" pilots do the same based on the philosophy "all roads lead somewhere!" :thup:
 
Collectively, Americans do not care. From what I can gather there are two reasons:

One, any limitations on firearms would prevent them from standing up to tyranny (such as having to wear a mask during a pandemic).

Two, providing mental healthcare Might cost wealthy people a little bit of money.

The solution isn't banning anything. The solution is enforcing laws alreadly in place; namely that felons and mentally adjudicated people can't own guns.

The felon thing is black & white law. The adjudicated thing is trickier since most, except for Adam Lanza, AFAIK, none of the mentally ill mass shooters were ever adjudicated to be mentally ill even though they were clearly fucking nuts and known by family and associates to be mentally off balance.

Jared Loughner, Nikolas Cruz and James Holmes, to name three.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/15/inside-the-mind-of-nikolas-cruz-and-other-mass-school-shooters.html
Inside the mind of Nikolas Cruz and other mass school shooters
According to research, those with mental illness — about 18 percent of adults, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation — are no more likely to commit violent acts. But the fact remains that when you look at the modern era of mass shootings — including but not limited to the recent horrific events in Las Vegas and Orlando, Florida — there are certain common mental health factors and motives that define the mind of a mass shooter, according to Alan J. Lipman, Ph.D., J.D., professor at the George Washington Medical Center and founder and director of the Center for the Study of Violence in Washington, D.C.

In most cases, these troubled individuals have an obsession with guns and killing.

Dr. Lipman, who is an expert on the psychology of violence and has been following cases since 1998, said that most mass killers fall into three categories. They can either have one or a combination of these traits.

1. A young male between the ages of 16 and 25 who is depressed and has a fascination with violence.

2. A psychotic individual.

3. A sociopath or psychopath.
 
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