yawn..........nuff said.
Another innocent Black man could have been murdered
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yawn..........nuff said.
It always amazes me how many of those open carry "protesters" have criminal records and are not legally allowed to own guns. When a black has an actual carry permit, they are many times threatened by whites.
Your whole life could have been different.
--->"So how did African-Americans vote in the 2016 election? Despite President Obama telling black voters that he would take it as a "personal insult" if they didn't cast their ballot for Hillary Clinton, 2016 black voters didn't coalesce behind Clinton the same way they did Obama, with Clinton earning 88% of their vote (to Trump's 8%) as compared to Obama's 93% in 2012."<---
https://www.mic.com/articles/159402...-african-americans-voted-in-the-2016-election
Mason Michaels
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There are a lot of things along the road that could have changed everything.
Yeah. Funny how a little decision here, a twist in the road there, a bit of luck ... can change your whole life.
Dawg is racist, and wrong on the history. Lincoln had talked earlier about deporting many blacks, but in his last public address he spoke of giving full citizenship to all black Americans. That was part of the reason the assassination went ahead.
Dachshynddawg
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Lincoln did NOT speak of granting full citizenship to ALL Black Americans in his final public address on the evening of 11th April, 1865. He spoke of possibly extending the franchise to relatively small proportion of the US Negro population at the time (see below) NB: Even I know that and I'm an Australian, not a Yankee-Doodle like you. Walt !
The entire issue of Lincoln's exact position on on the question of colonization at the end of the Civil War before he was assassinated is actually very difficult to unravel and remains unresolved by profession/academic historians as we speak.
I tend to favour the narrative below...
(1) On the MORNING of 11th of April, just four days before his Lincoln's death, General Benjamin Butler travelled to the White House for a private meeting with President. In his memoirs, General Butler wrote that in their conversation, Lincoln continued to press on with deportation as the only peaceable solution to America's race problem. Butler notes that Lincoln said to him at one point...
"I can hardly believe that the South and the North can live in peace, unless we can get rid of the Negroes ... I believe that it would be better to export them ALL to some fertile country." Lincoln is well known to have expressed the view (during the Lincoln - Douglass debates of 1854) that that White and Black Americans could never co-exist in harmony due to the fact that Blacks were, generally speaking, socially and politically inferior to Whites. Moreover, Lincoln, sincerely - who was NOT a "racist" in the sense of the crude meaning that term has today - sincerely believed that this social and politic inferiority, was due to a "biological" (i.e; a "hard-wired") difference between the two races (Lincoln's observation is very similar in substance to the controversial modern scientific thesis that claims: confirmed differences in measurements of average intelligence that exist between racial/ethic groups are largely determined by innate and immutable genetic factors. Needless to say, this claim, whether or not it is eventually proved correct, is currently extremely politically incorrect and members of the leftist anthropology. psychology and social science academies have already destroyed the careers of a number of eminent geneticists who have dared to publish
their experimental results in this field in the mainstream Western scientific literature).
To continue. That same evening, at around 8:00 pm on 11th April 1865, Lincoln delivered his last public address from the portico of the White House. In that final speech he did express his support for LIMITED Black suffrage, saying that...
"I would myself prefer that it were now conferred on the very intelligent, and on those who serve our cause as solders. John Wilkes Booth, an actor standing near the front of Lincoln's audience, upon hearing this immediately realised that extending the franchise to any Blacks would automatically entail their being granted US citizenship. Booth angrily vowed to a friend who was with him that "That will be the last speech he ever makes ! By God, I'll run him through !" And, as you know, he did; assassinating Lincoln in a theatre with a pistol shot to the head on the evening of 15th April, 1865.
A few days after General Butler's above mentioned meeting with Lincoln (on the morning of 11th April, 1865), Butler returned to the White House for a second meeting with the President, as Lincoln had instructed him at the conclusion of their meeting on the 11th of April to research the the feasibility of a colonization plan and report back to him in a day or two to discuss his findings. Butler reported that the logistical scale of colonizing the freedmen would make a comprehensive plan impossible. However he proposed an alternative in which the "one hundred and fifty thousand negro troops: that were "now enlisted: in the Federal Army could be transported to a long proposed colony location on the Panama isthmus where they could find employment in digging an American canal between the two oceans. "After we got ourselves established" on the isthmus, we will petition Congress under your recommendation to send down to us the wives ans children, : thus apparently inducing a free migration of Blacks to the new colony."
"There is meat in that, General Butler, there is meat in that, responded Lincoln with instructions to the General to pursue preparations for the plan. Butler was apparently to lead a renewed administration policy for colonization.
This anecdote by Butler late in life is well known and highly controversial. If the anecdote is accepted as true it would suggest that Lincoln continued to his dying day to deny the possibility of racial harmony in the United States and persisted in regarding colonization as the only real alternative to perpetual racial conflict.
I tend to accept this interpretation, however, professional historians are bitterly divided on the matter. Some are skeptical of the validity of Butler's anecdote claiming it was embellished or exaggerated or a down right fabrication. The opposing camp believe that Butler's testimony is generally sound. Each group of disputants have their own elaborate arguments to bolster their respective cases and if you fan
y reading hundred of pages of dry academic bickering about the meaning/s of: this sentence or that sentence, this phrase or that phrase that has been extracted from obscure 19th century letters, Butler's memoirs and notes, reams of pages of Lincoln's notes, speech drafts and transcripts; records of overheard comments the President made in conversations to certain friend or political colleague in the 1850's and 1860's; the critical importance of missing quotation marks in a curious passage of General Butler's notes or how a misplaced comma in one of Lincoln's handwritten memos could actually be the key to solving the entire riddle, then you are welcome. As for me, I'm a conservative, so I trust my gut instincts. And they tell me that Lincoln, having been through the horror of the Civil War, was extremely concerned that the freed Black slaves (of which there were some 4 million in 1865) could wage a racial war in the US. In fact, he had been vexed by this possibility since 1854; it was always lurking/niggling somewhere in the back of his mind; for some reason it really "pressed his buttons " ?
So, at the end of the day, I think Lincoln wanted to deport all black Negros (both liberated slaves and freeman) from America. If we imagine he was not murdered in 1865, and that it was actually POSSIBLE for him to have organised it - by whatever means - given the logistical challenges involved, I believe that Lincoln WOULD have done it. BUT that's just my opinion, and opinions are a "dime a dozen."
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