Another Liberal claim proved as bullshit, gov preventative care does NOT save money

KingCondanomation

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Onceler used to go on about this one a lot thinking that I was pennywise pound-foolish for saying that preventative care does not save money but here it is proven it does not.

"OBAMA: "I think one basic principle that we know is that the more we do on the (disease) prevention side, the more we can obtain serious savings down the road. ... If we're making those investments, we will save huge amounts of money in the long term." - in Missouri.

THE FACTS: It sounds believable that preventing illness should be cheaper than treating it, and indeed that's the case with steps like preventing smoking and improving diets and exercise. But during the 2008 campaign, when Obama and other presidential candidates were touting a focus on preventive care, the New England Journal of Medicine cautioned that "sweeping statements about the cost-saving potential of prevention, however, are overreaching." It said that "although some preventive measures do save money, the vast majority reviewed in the health economics literature do not."

And a study released in December by the Congressional Budget Office found that increasing preventive care "could improve people's health but would probably generate either modest reductions in the overall costs of health care or increases in such spending within a 10-year budgetary time frame.""
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090429/D97SCPI00.html
 
Right... Just like do not check the oil in your car or the air in your tires. It will be cheaper that way.
 
Right... Just like do not check the oil in your car or the air in your tires. It will be cheaper that way.

How much does it cost to check the oil in your car or the air in your tires? Prevention CAN help save money, especially in your useful examples where they are free, but usually as proven above it will cost more than the return.

A better contrast would have been the cost it takes for a repairman to inspect your brakes than the cost to eventually needing real work. MOST of the time you are going to know something isn't quite right.
 
How much does it cost to check the oil in your car or the air in your tires? Prevention CAN help save money, especially in your useful examples where they are free, but usually as proven above it will cost more than the return.

A better contrast would have been the cost it takes for a repairman to inspect your brakes than the cost to eventually needing real work. MOST of the time you are going to know something isn't quite right.[/QUOTE

Adding oil to your cars engine is not free. Neither is compressed air most places.

HMO's and such have been touting preventive care as a way of cutting medical costs for years.
 
How much does it cost to check the oil in your car or the air in your tires? Prevention CAN help save money, especially in your useful examples where they are free, but usually as proven above it will cost more than the return.

A better contrast would have been the cost it takes for a repairman to inspect your brakes than the cost to eventually needing real work. MOST of the time you are going to know something isn't quite right.

Yearly physicals have saved two of my friends lives. The lung cancer would not have been found in either case. It saves lives which are priceless, how can you put a dollar cost on that? How does saving a life compare to one dying of lung cancer? Lung cancer is usually not symptomatic until it is often too late.
 
How much does it cost to check the oil in your car or the air in your tires? Prevention CAN help save money, especially in your useful examples where they are free, but usually as proven above it will cost more than the return.

A better contrast would have been the cost it takes for a repairman to inspect your brakes than the cost to eventually needing real work. MOST of the time you are going to know something isn't quite right.[/QUOTE

Adding oil to your cars engine is not free. Neither is compressed air most places.
Neither is getting surgery free. Adding oil is FIXING the issue, NOT the preventative step in checking condition, THAT is free.

HMO's and such have been touting preventive care as a way of cutting medical costs for years.
And THEY are likely to know what preventative care works best and actually saves them money. Government on the other hand does not.
 
Yearly physicals have saved two of my friends lives. The lung cancer would not have been found in either case. It saves lives which are priceless, how can you put a dollar cost on that? How does saving a life compare to one dying of lung cancer? Lung cancer is usually not symptomatic until it is often too late.
Why not have monthly physicals and get even better results? Or how about daily? The point is that the level of preventative care has limits in comparison to return. The market of patients and providers is best at determining that (and in your examples is done as medical providers think it good to do certain checks like physicals and at a rate that can catch serious conditions) and not government which just blindly throws money into it to try to lower any rate.
Operations cost a lot of money so health institutions have reason to do appropriate checks just as you have reason to, government preventative care does not save money.
 
Why not have monthly physicals and get even better results? Or how about daily? The point is that the level of preventative care has limits in comparison to return. The market of patients and providers is best at determining that (and in your examples is done as medical providers think it good to do certain checks like physicals and at a rate that can catch serious conditions) and not government which just blindly throws money into it to try to lower any rate.
Operations cost a lot of money so health institutions have reason to do appropriate checks just as you have reason to, government preventative care does not save money.

Cancer and many other illnesses don't present themselves that fast, it isn't necessary to have daily or weekly visits, yearly will do most of the time.

I am still going every three months. Mine was an ugly cancer and thank goodness for preventative measures.

I would have to see a longer study done on the subject. Preventative is still relatively new in the world. You once only used hospitals and doctors when it was too late for everything else. Hospitals were a place to go and die.
I think over time preventative would have a greater return.

Imagine if we practiced some form of exercise every morning before work as many of the Chinese do. Talk about preventative!
 
Why not have monthly physicals and get even better results? Or how about daily? The point is that the level of preventative care has limits in comparison to return. The market of patients and providers is best at determining that (and in your examples is done as medical providers think it good to do certain checks like physicals and at a rate that can catch serious conditions) and not government which just blindly throws money into it to try to lower any rate.
Operations cost a lot of money so health institutions have reason to do appropriate checks just as you have reason to, government preventative care does not save money.

Ohh lets just have a physical every 2 hours.

Sheesh...
 
only pussies need insurance real americans join the marines to get their insurance and boy do we pay for it
 
I thought marines were pussies?

The marines started out a a bodyguard force for the captain to protect him from the crew.

Suckup pussies.
 
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