Another thought on Egyptian revolution

[Taichiliberal]

Okay, one of the things that our national press is NOT saying about Mubarak's stepping down from power (so far) is how WE (the USA) supported the little bastard for the last 30 years with the very military hardware used to suppress his people.



This is one of the reasons why Obama had to be VERY careful about what he publicly said...and why our State Dept. is very apprehensive as to any new gov't attitude towards the country that supported the dark times of their countries history. Egyptians, like the Iraqis, like the Iranians, may forgive, but they don't forget. And the Cold War was NO excuse for turning a blind eye to despotism...especially since the collapse of the Soviet Union 20 years ago.



The American people must understand that our history of direct intervention in various middle Eastern and West African countries is the fertilizer that sprouted such things as the Ayatollah Kohmeini, Saddam Hussein and Mubarak. We picked up were the Europeans and Russians left off....and as our chickens come home to roost, we best be ready to honestly deal with them if we want a good outcome.

 

[Beefy]

Okay, one of the things that our national press is NOT saying about Mubarak's stepping down from power (so far) is how WE (the USA) supported the little bastard for the last 30 years with the very military hardware used to suppress his people.

Actually, yes the national media are reporting on it if you bother to listen. Seriously, who told you they weren't? I've been hearing endless reports on the support for Mubarak through the treaty with Israel and the US and have heard plenty on it. Whoever is telling you to say this doesn't know what she's talking about.

This is one of the reasons why Obama had to be VERY careful about what he publicly said...and why our State Dept. is very apprehensive as to any new gov't attitude towards the country that supported the dark times of their countries history. Egyptians, like the Iraqis, like the Iranians, may forgive, but they don't forget. And the Cold War was NO excuse for turning a blind eye to despotism...especially since the collapse of the Soviet Union 20 years ago.

The premise is false. The Obama administration does not have to be "VERY CAREFUL" about what they publicly say about this thing because the shit in Egypt is all front page naked politics that is home grown there. The US had nothing to do with this revolution no matter which side of the aisle tells you it did. This does not have even a remote echo of the soviet union. We were never in a war, hot or cold with Egypt. What the hell is wrong with you?

The American people must understand that our history of direct intervention in various middle Eastern and West African countries is the fertilizer that sprouted such things as the Ayatollah Kohmeini, Saddam Hussein and Mubarak. We picked up were the Europeans and Russians left off....and as our chickens come home to roost, we best be ready to honestly deal with them if we want a good outcome.

I agree that our foreign intrventionism is problematic. I just think your premise is totally retarded.

 

[Good Luck]

I just think your premise is totally retarded.

His first mistake was calling his mental processes "thought".

 

[NOVA]

Hillary Clinton, March 10, 2009: “I really consider [Egyptian] President and Mrs. Mubarak to be friends of my family. So I hope to see him often here in Egypt and in the United States.”

Confronted with the most acute foreign policy crisis of his administration, President Obama is increasingly relying on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for her advice and connections – including a 20 year friendship with the family of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak that has drawn fire from human rights advocates.

Can you say "HYPOCRITE"

 

[Lowaicue]

Actually, yes the national media are reporting on it if you bother to listen. Seriously, who told you they weren't? I've been hearing endless reports on the support for Mubarak through the treaty with Israel and the US and have heard plenty on it. Whoever is telling you to say this doesn't know what she's talking about.



The premise is false. The Obama administration does not have to be "VERY CAREFUL" about what they publicly say about this thing because the shit in Egypt is all front page naked politics that is home grown there. The US had nothing to do with this revolution no matter which side of the aisle tells you it did. This does not have even a remote echo of the soviet union. We were never in a war, hot or cold with Egypt. What the hell is wrong with you?




I agree that our foreign intrventionism is problematic. I just think your premise is totally retarded.

'Our foreign intervention is problematic'???? PROBLEMATIC?? Jeez you spin better than a top. Your foreign intervention, dear boy, is an obscenity. It spells the death and destruction of millions. It is self serving, selfish and callus.
Probl-friggin-matic???
How bloody yank-holier-than-thou-can-you-get?

 

[Lowaicue]

Hillary Clinton, March 10, 2009: “I really consider [Egyptian] President and Mrs. Mubarak to be friends of my family. So I hope to see him often here in Egypt and in the United States.”

Confronted with the most acute foreign policy crisis of his administration, President Obama is increasingly relying on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for her advice and connections – including a 20 year friendship with the family of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak that has drawn fire from human rights advocates.

Can you say "HYPOCRITE"

Yes I can. Listen: Hypocrite. I can also say Llanfairpwllwerndrobwyllllantisiliogogogoch! can you?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

'Our foreign intervention is problematic'???? PROBLEMATIC?? Jeez you spin better than a top. Your foreign intervention, dear boy, is an obscenity. It spells the death and destruction of millions. It is self serving, selfish and callus.
Probl-friggin-matic???
How bloody yank-holier-than-thou-can-you-get?

There's no need to be insulting.
You make the US sound like Britian.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Okay, one of the things that our national press is NOT saying about Mubarak's stepping down from power (so far) is how WE (the USA) supported the little bastard for the last 30 years with the very military hardware used to suppress his people.



This is one of the reasons why Obama had to be VERY careful about what he publicly said...and why our State Dept. is very apprehensive as to any new gov't attitude towards the country that supported the dark times of their countries history. Egyptians, like the Iraqis, like the Iranians, may forgive, but they don't forget. And the Cold War was NO excuse for turning a blind eye to despotism...especially since the collapse of the Soviet Union 20 years ago.



The American people must understand that our history of direct intervention in various middle Eastern and West African countries is the fertilizer that sprouted such things as the Ayatollah Kohmeini, Saddam Hussein and Mubarak. We picked up were the Europeans and Russians left off....and as our chickens come home to roost, we best be ready to honestly deal with them if we want a good outcome.

The military aid was part of the Camp David deal in 1978.

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[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Okay, one of the things that our national press is NOT saying about Mubarak's stepping down from power (so far) is how WE (the USA) supported the little bastard for the last 30 years with the very military hardware used to suppress his people.

Actually, yes the national media are reporting on it if you bother to listen. Seriously, who told you they weren't? I've been hearing endless reports on the support for Mubarak through the treaty with Israel and the US and have heard plenty on it. Whoever is telling you to say this doesn't know what she's talking about.

Actually, the press at first only mentioned it when assessing Obama's public statements on the matter.....and only in passing during the first couple of days (the emphasis was on speculating about the Muslim Brotherhood). Only when interviews with Egyptians involved in the protest did this connection become on par with other aspects of the discussion.

This is one of the reasons why Obama had to be VERY careful about what he publicly said...and why our State Dept. is very apprehensive as to any new gov't attitude towards the country that supported the dark times of their countries history. Egyptians, like the Iraqis, like the Iranians, may forgive, but they don't forget. And the Cold War was NO excuse for turning a blind eye to despotism...especially since the collapse of the Soviet Union 20 years ago.

The premise is false. The Obama administration does not have to be "VERY CAREFUL" about what they publicly say about this thing because the shit in Egypt is all front page naked politics that is home grown there. The US had nothing to do with this revolution no matter which side of the aisle tells you it did. This does not have even a remote echo of the soviet union. We were never in a war, hot or cold with Egypt. What the hell is wrong with you?

Pay attention, you Beefy bumpkin: I didn't say we had anything to do with the revolution, did I? But, WE SUPPORTED A NASTY DICTATORSHIP THAT SUPPRESED IT'S PEOPLE FOR 30 YEARS....as we supported the Shah Pahvil, as we supported Hussein. Now that the PEOPLE have revolted, and the ARMY (using OUR weaponry) is the wild card, America and it's leadership jolly well better not start mouthing off s. Like Wael Ghonim said tonight on 60 Minutes , they don't need the USA to be involved because we suported Mubarak. And to dumb it down for you further, I was saying that the COLD WAR was NO excuse for the continuous support of the likes of the Shah or Hussein. WTF is the matter with your reading comprehension, Beefy?


I agree that our foreign intrventionism is problematic. I just think your premise is totally retarded.

As I've pointed out above, folks....Beefy just doesn't get it.

 

[Taichiliberal]

His first mistake was calling his mental processes "thought".

And this is the BEST that Good Luck can mentally muster.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Hillary Clinton, March 10, 2009: “I really consider [Egyptian] President and Mrs. Mubarak to be friends of my family. So I hope to see him often here in Egypt and in the United States.”

Confronted with the most acute foreign policy crisis of his administration, President Obama is increasingly relying on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for her advice and connections – including a 20 year friendship with the family of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak that has drawn fire from human rights advocates.

Can you say "HYPOCRITE"

No argument there...it's going to be real interesting to see if Obama is going to pull Hillary's chain on this one....you'll notice that she's been REAL quiet on the national media on this.

Essentially, the Obama administration is going to have to do some serious policy revamping if it wants to stay in the good graces of any new gov't that may emerge in the region. Despite the virulent anti-Obama rhetoric of the neocon GOP and punditry, the Obama administration has maintained the status quo on many planes....but as the world changes, that may not be good enough.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

No argument there...it's going to be real interesting to see if Obama is going to pull Hillary's chain on this one....you'll notice that she's been REAL quiet on the national media on this.

Essentially, the Obama administration is going to have to do some serious policy revamping if it wants to stay in the good graces of any new gov't that may emerge in the region.

why would obama pull her chain? he supports her opinion...

Obama: Mubarak is a "Stalwart Ally ... Force for Stability & Good"

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Beefy
Actually, yes the national media are reporting on it if you bother to listen. Seriously, who told you they weren't? I've been hearing endless reports on the support for Mubarak through the treaty with Israel and the US and have heard plenty on it. Whoever is telling you to say this doesn't know what she's talking about.



The premise is false. The Obama administration does not have to be "VERY CAREFUL" about what they publicly say about this thing because the shit in Egypt is all front page naked politics that is home grown there. The US had nothing to do with this revolution no matter which side of the aisle tells you it did. This does not have even a remote echo of the soviet union. We were never in a war, hot or cold with Egypt. What the hell is wrong with you?




I agree that our foreign intrventionism is problematic. I just think your premise is totally retarded.

'Our foreign intervention is problematic'???? PROBLEMATIC?? Jeez you spin better than a top. Your foreign intervention, dear boy, is an obscenity. It spells the death and destruction of millions. It is self serving, selfish and callus.
Probl-friggin-matic???
How bloody yank-holier-than-thou-can-you-get?

We just picked up where you lot left off, Low. And that's pretty damned sad in both respects.

 

[Taichiliberal]

The military aid was part of the Camp David deal in 1978.

Camp David Accords - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

True enough.....but strict stipulations were never enacted.

 

[Lowaicue]

We just picked up where you lot left off, Low. And that's pretty damned sad in both respects.

You said it right.

We left off.
Don't you think it is time the US tried to learn from its betters?

 

[Beefy]

The fact is that the Media ARE reporting on the relationship that stood for 30 years. I don't get it?

I don't get it?

You based your argument on this premise:

" our national press is NOT saying about Mubarak's stepping down from power (so far) is how WE (the USA) supported the little bastard for the last 30 years with the very military hardware used to suppress his people."

That's a load of shit.

I don't get it? You don't get it you blithering fool. Back this shit up and then lets talk. Until then, stop trying to make it appear as though the US media is trying to hide the fact that we support his ass.

Shoot straight cupcake.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
We just picked up where you lot left off, Low. And that's pretty damned sad in both respects.

You said it right.

We left off.
Don't you think it is time the US tried to learn from its betters?

Don't be boorish, Low. The Brits didn't leave off out of a sense of righteousness and morality...you "left off" because of finances and burgeoning nationalism by your former colonies and such.....Kuwait being a prime example.

Like I said, it's pretty damned sad in both respects....but hope springs eternal that people and their respective gov'ts will wise up and do the right thing.

 

[cancel2 2022]

True enough.....but strict stipulations were never enacted.

It wasn't from the want of trying though.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/12/21/u-s-pleas-for-egypt-to-update-military-go-unheard.html

 

[Taichiliberal]

The fact is that the Media ARE reporting on the relationship that stood for 30 years. I don't get it?

I don't get it?

Evidently you don't, because I EXPLAINED IT TO YOU IN A PREVIOUS POST. That you're repeating your same mistake is evidence that you didn't understand the explanation or you just don't like the fact that you can't logically refute the response and are being insipidly stubborn.
You based your argument on this premise:

" our national press is NOT saying about Mubarak's stepping down from power (so far) is how WE (the USA) supported the little bastard for the last 30 years with the very military hardware used to suppress his people."

That's a load of shit.

Only in your fevered little Beefy brain.....because as I pointed out, the press at first only mentioned it when assessing Obama's public statements on the matter.....and only in passing during the first couple of days (the emphasis was on speculating about the Muslim Brotherhood). Only when interviews with Egyptians involved in the protest did this connection become on par with other aspects of the discussion.


I don't get it? You don't get it you blithering fool. Back this shit up and then lets talk. Until then, stop trying to make it appear as though the US media is trying to hide the fact that we support his ass.

Shoot straight cupcake.

Put your shirt back on, Beefy...you're not impressing anyone with your bluff and bluster. I didn't say they were "hiding" the facts....just not talking about the specifics (i.e., military hardware) on par with reporting the other aspects (at first). Wael Ghonim said the other night on 60 Minutes, they don't need the USA to be involved because we suported Mubarak. That mindset wasn't touted equally with all the hoo-hah about the Muslim Brotherhood in the early days of the revolt, now was it?

 

[Taichiliberal]

It wasn't from the want of trying though.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/12/21/u-s-pleas-for-egypt-to-update-military-go-unheard.html

Tell me about it! Here's a telling quote, "...The last decade has seen repeated attempts by Congress, as recently as 2008, to cut military funding to Egypt or channel the money as economic aid. Those efforts ultimately have been blocked by frantic last-minute pressure from the Bush and Obama administrations."This is one of the reasons why Obama is fast losing favor with the people who put him in office. The status quo just ain't cutting it anymore....and present/future administrations are going to have to come to grips with that whether they like it or not.