Another thread wherein I embarrass superstupid

Wonder when the embarrasing part begins ?


The post where I corrected him about the necessary requirements of life, i.e., ability to sustain it's existence and maintain homeostasis. Then there were the post where I corrected his claim that every cell in the human body is genetically distinct and his claims that sperm/egg cells are not genetically distinct. He does not know the first thing about biology or genetics.
 
How many infants sustain their own lives?

You are missing the point of that requirement and taking it out of context. If you have a problem with it, take it up with the community of biologists. Sf claimed he was using their definition but embarassingly does not even know what it is. The truth is he was just repeating something he heard from some right winger, which is what he always does.
 
We are talking about when HUMAN life begins. We are not talking about when the life of a sperm, egg or a single cell begins. If you want talk about something else, then start your own thread, mushbrain.

I have already answered what it needs to live as a human. I did so in the very post to which you responded. Your strawman bullshit was preempted.

Homeostasis is, absolutely, a requirement of the biological definition of life.

My terminology and definitions are very clear. If you want to try to present some definition of life that does not require homeostasis then do so. But it's not going to be one that agrees with basic biology.


Oh, you've made plenty of claims thats for sure....first it was multi-celled, then some vague requirement to maintain homeostasis, then some ability to live as a human, etc...

Biological life....plain and simple...how about YOU show us a definition of life that requires it to be multi-celled, or have a higher degree of homeostasis then just
staying alive, or a definition that requires the "life" to have the ability to live as a human...

Seems this will be our hangup...our inability to define 'life' in some basic way.....as in, life, meaning not dead...life, being alive....life, being animate as opposed to inanimate.

If that is the case, we're both wasting our time.
 
Oh, you've made plenty of claims thats for sure....first it was multi-celled, then some vague requirement to maintain homeostasis, then some ability to live as a human, etc...

Biological life....plain and simple...how about YOU show us a definition of life that requires it to be multi-celled, or have a higher degree of homeostasis then just
staying alive, or a definition that requires the "life" to have the ability to live as a human...

Seems this will be our hangup...our inability to define 'life' in some basic way.....as in, life, meaning not dead...life, being alive....life, being animate as opposed to inanimate.

If that is the case, we're both wasting our time.

You are hopelessly confused, as usual, mushbrain. There have been no changes in my argument.

AGAIN, we are talking about HUMAN life. Not all life is multicellular, but humans are multicellular organisms and a zygote is but a single cell. I stated that quite clearly. You are just wasting my time.

The biological definition of life ABSOLUTELY includes a requirement that the existent be able to maintain homeostasis. You are switching contexts and trying to bring in the common definition. We are discussing the biological definition. It does not help you though. Your argument is less sound by claiming that anything that is alive must be legally protected.

The zygote is not able to maintain homeostasis as a HUMAN or sustain it's life (does not mean have a job and pay rent idiots) and so it is wrong to call it human life.

Of course, not all life must live as a human. Your strawman arguments are completely absurd. If you can't stay on topic and discuss this honestly then I will put you on ignore with your very stupid friend.
 
You are hopelessly confused, as usual, mushbrain. There have been no changes in my argument.

AGAIN, we are talking about HUMAN life. Not all life is multicellular, but humans are multicellular organisms and a zygote is but a single cell. I stated that quite clearly. You are just wasting my time.
What life begins as multi-cellular ?...
Did life on earth begin as
multi-cellular ?

The biological definition of life ABSOLUTELY includes a requirement that the existent be able to maintain homeostasis.

show us a biological definition of life that ABSOLUTELY includes that requirement....

You are switching contexts and trying to bring in the common definition. We are discussing the biological definition. It does not help you though. Your argument is less sound by claiming that anything that is alive must be legally protected.

a common definition and a biological definition, huh.....whats the difference you've found. Philosophical perhaps ?

So I ask again....show us a biological definition of life that ABSOLUTELY includes that requirement....

The zygote is not able to maintain homeostasis as a HUMAN or sustain it's life (does not mean have a job and pay rent idiots) and so it is wrong to call it human life.

If the zygote is not able to sustain its life(its life is your term), why does it continue to have life, go on living....(talking in circles again?)
And just for kicks, when do you imagine a human develops
homeostasis?
Is there 'life in a test tube' ?

Of course, not all life must live as a human. Your strawman arguments are completely absurd. If you can't stay on topic and discuss this honestly then I will put you on ignore with your very stupid friend.

Specifically, if the human zygote is not human, what speci is it.....
 
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Specifically, if the human zygote is not human, what speci is it.....

Learn to use the quotes, moron.

I already posted the definition twice from biology-online.com.

http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Life

Read the entire thing. Not as you typically do, just a couple sentences until you find what you want and ignore everything that contradicts your preconceived notions.

What species is the human sperm or the cells in my arm? You fools are nothing but a bunch context dropping hypocrites. You suffer a stolen concept fallacy.
 
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What requirement of 'life' does a zygote not possess....?

Random thoughts:


How many zygotes live on your street? Work with you? Play with your kids when they were little.

I am sorry, I just got this image of a little zygote riding a bike with you and just had to post my thoughts.
 
Dictionary » L » Life Life

Definition
noun, plural: lives
(1) A distinctive characteristic of a living organism from dead organism or non-living thing, as specifically distinguished by the capacity to grow, metabolize, respond (to stimuli), adapt, and reproduce

(2) The biota of a particular region

Supplement
There is no consensus regarding the answer to the question as to when does life begin. Does it begin at the time of fertilization or the time before or after that? The origin of life is also contestable. Despite of the irresolute answer for questions about life, the basic characteristics of a living thing are as follows:

  • with an organized structure performing a specific function
  • with an ability to sustain existence, e.g. by nourishment
  • with an ability to respond to stimuli or to its environment
  • capable of adapting
  • with an ability to germinate or reproduce
This it?....I guess so....its your link...

So I ask again....show us a biological definition of life that ABSOLUTELY includes that requirement it be able to maintain homeostasis.
If you can't answer, just admit it...
 
Random thoughts:


How many zygotes live on your street? Work with you? Play with your kids when they were little.

I am sorry, I just got this image of a little zygote riding a bike with you and just had to post my thoughts.


Obviously, everyone on the street was once a zygote, and embryo, a fetus, etc....soon they'll be middle age, seniors, geriatrics and then dead....amazing how many
labels you can get tagged with over the course of a life time....quite meaningless in the bigger scheme of things.

Maybe you ought not post your thoughts.....just sayin'...
 
Learn to use the quotes, moron.

I already posted the definition twice from biology-online.com.

http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Life

Read the entire thing. Not as you typically do, just a couple sentences until you find what you want and ignore everything that contradicts your preconceived notions.

What species is the human sperm or the cells in my arm? You fools are nothing but a bunch context dropping hypocrites. You suffer a stolen concept fallacy.

it is truly comical watching you continually try to compare a human sperm CELL or the cells in your arm to a fertilized egg cell. You are quite the fool and every time you utter that nonsense, you show just how little about genetics you comprehend. You have been buried on this thread and you actually think you are winning the debate. Hilarious.
 
This it?....I guess so....its your link...

So I ask again....show us a biological definition of life that ABSOLUTELY includes that requirement it be able to maintain homeostasis.
If you can't answer, just admit it...

You obviously don't know what homeostasis means.
 
it is truly comical watching you continually try to compare a human sperm CELL or the cells in your arm to a fertilized egg cell. You are quite the fool and every time you utter that nonsense, you show just how little about genetics you comprehend. You have been buried on this thread and you actually think you are winning the debate. Hilarious.

I understand the genetic charasterics of all of those things, how they differ and how they are alike. You don't. You proved that conclusively.
 
You obviously can't provide the definition....so what you should do about now is ...... stfu for awhile...your hole is deep enough.

I already have. Why do you think I used it together with being able to sustain life? Homeostasis conceptualizes a living things ability to maintain its own life support systems.

Look it up and throw in "requirement of life." Maybe you will learn something.

No, that does not mean someone on temporary life support is dead and again if you assclowns have a problem with it then take it up with the biological community.

The zygote may be able to maintain homeostasis as a zygote, i.e., safely in the womb of the mother and with the aid of the placenta it may be able to sustain its existence as a zygote-blastocyst, but it can't do it as a human and until the fetus (at a much later stage than zygote) can its not properly classed as "human life." That's what Wolpert and the numerous other biologists i have referenced were saying.
 
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