Another tragedy brought about by yet ANOTHER "responsible" gun owner

[leaningright]

http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Newsroom/New...400-deaths-estimated-over-a-five-year-period/

we should ban bath tubs, because we have 'responsible' parents who let their kids die...

Oh wait, no... those were IRRESPONSIBLE people... but I guess I can pretend that since they exist, we must punish all bathtub owning parents... prevent them from giving their kids a bath because of the actions of the irresponsible people.

This is not the "Same tired response..." as the parallel is there. The thing that ties these two incidents together is that both households were "irresponsible" and adults in both households should be held accountable.

What is the same and is becoming tiresome is that some people [gun banners] have to draw the same conclusion everytime something like this happens. Something like this would not have been prevented by the bill that was recently shot down in the Senate. Something like this would only have been prevented by an out and out gun ban...which is the true agenda of many of the "background check" supporters, IMO.

I hope they get that surviving child the proper counseling. He'll need it in the coming years.

 

[zappasguitar]

It wouldn't, at all, ever.

Riiiight...because if someone had previously been injured in that house because someone left a gun standing around...that would NEVER show up on a background check.

Now...would someone please cue Billy for another round of name calling that is the norm whenever I attempt discussion of "responsible gun owners"!

 

[zappasguitar]

This is not the "Same tired response..." as the parallel is there. The thing that ties these two incidents together is that both households were "irresponsible" and adults in both households should be held accountable.

What is the same and is becoming tiresome is that some people [gun banners] have to draw the same conclusion everytime something like this happens. Something like this would not have been prevented by the bill that was recently shot down in the Senate. Something like this would only have been prevented by an out and out gun ban...which is the true agenda of many of the "background check" supporters, IMO.

I hope they get that surviving child the proper counseling. He'll need it in the coming years.

Something like this could have VERY EASILY been prevented by the use of TRIGGER LOCKS.

 

[leaningright]

So this was just poor parenting and no actual law could have prevented this? As a non gun owner I am curious about the storage and trigger lock requirements. I'm not a gun guy. I don't own one and I don't go shooting them. If I ever did own a gun however it would be for safety reasons for my family. How long does it take to go from your bed while sleeping (as an example) to your storage locker and take off your safety clip? I'm thinking if you are awaken at night by a burglar in your house and you need to grab your gun quick.

I keep most of my guns locked in a safe. All but 3 actually. One of the guns left out us unloaded except for the clip (which holds more than 10 rounds), the other two are loaded to the hilt and all are placed strategically throughout the house and the family has been given instructions concerning them.

 

[leaningright]

Something like this could have VERY EASILY been prevented by the use of TRIGGER LOCKS.

Yes it could have. It also SHOULD have been prevented by proper storage of the weapon where a 5 year old doesn't have access to it. ... Or at least no access to the weapon AND ammunition.

 

[cawacko]

A background check absolutely WOULD reveal if the adults had previously left a gun out and caused an injury to someone in that house.

But you go right on making excuses for the senseless death of yet ANOTHER child...

I re-read the article and it makes no reference of the family having previously had a shooting incident in the home so a background check on this family would turn up nothing.

 

[Socrtease]

Yep...right on cue here comes the same tired either/or argument from the Right.

Accoridng to them there's no room in the middle whatsoever, it's got to always be one way or the polar opposite.

YOu anti-gun fraidy cats are so blinded by guns you can't see that parents do stupid shit all the time that ends up killing kids. They leave covers off pools and kids drown, they forget or neglect to put gates at the top of stairs and kids fall to their deaths. Every year parents leave their children in cars in hot weather and kids die. This is parental stupidity and NOT the fault of the car, the stairs, the pool or the gun.

 

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More examples of the only "honest" debate Rightie gun nuts ever engage in...

So you 'honestly' think that background checks would reveal where a person keeps their guns in their homes?

 

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So this was just poor parenting and no actual law could have prevented this? As a non gun owner I am curious about the storage and trigger lock requirements. I'm not a gun guy. I don't own one and I don't go shooting them. If I ever did own a gun however it would be for safety reasons for my family. How long does it take to go from your bed while sleeping (as an example) to your storage locker and take off your safety clip? I'm thinking if you are awaken at night by a burglar in your house and you need to grab your gun quick.

My pistol is in my nightstand. If I had kids or anyone else living with me, it would be in a gun safe.

http://www.gunvault.com/

Some ideas to get you familiar...

I would likely have the finger print activated. You could get into that instantly. Gun out and ready to fire in seconds after you wake up.

 

[Socrtease]

So this was just poor parenting and no actual law could have prevented this? As a non gun owner I am curious about the storage and trigger lock requirements. I'm not a gun guy. I don't own one and I don't go shooting them. If I ever did own a gun however it would be for safety reasons for my family. How long does it take to go from your bed while sleeping (as an example) to your storage locker and take off your safety clip? I'm thinking if you are awaken at night by a burglar in your house and you need to grab your gun quick.

At night, when I go to bed, I take my trigger lock off my weapon. When I get up in the morning, BEFORE I S,S,&S, put the trigger lock back on and place the weapon back in a drawer. Probably takes me all of 2 minutes.

 

[zappasguitar]

I re-read the article and it makes no reference of the family having previously had a shooting incident in the home so a background check on this family would turn up nothing.

Did I say there had been shooting in the house before this?

 

[zappasguitar]

YOu anti-gun fraidy cats are so blinded by guns you can't see that parents do stupid shit all the time that ends up killing kids. They leave covers off pools and kids drown, they forget or neglect to put gates at the top of stairs and kids fall to their deaths. Every year parents leave their children in cars in hot weather and kids die. This is parental stupidity and NOT the fault of the car, the stairs, the pool or the gun.

Except that pools, the stairs and cars weren't designed SPECIFICALLY TO KILL.

Guns were/are.

BIG difference.

 

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Did I say there had been shooting in the house before this?

No, but you did say that a background check would reveal if they had left guns in the corners of their houses. Which is complete nonsense.

 

[Phantasmal]

I keep most of my guns locked in a safe. All but 3 actually. One of the guns left out us unloaded except for the clip (which holds more than 10 rounds), the other two are loaded to the hilt and all are placed strategically throughout the house and the family has been given instructions concerning them.

Children are generally instructed not to touch, but unfortunately, accidents stil happen. You are fortunate nothing every happened involving the guns in the strategic location.

My aunt was killed by a shotgun in a closet that fell out to the floor and discharged, hitting her and killing her. An terrible accident,a farm family use to handling guns, but an accident where my uncle blamed himself till he died.

 

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What point was the family trying to prove?

(FYI, the bold link doesn't work)

Yeah, I kinda doubt this family bought the kid a gun to prove a point to anyone.

This is certainly a tragedy. But feel free to get some political mileage out of it.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

Which has exactly zero to do with your dumbassery in the post I quoted. Massachusetts has storage requirements that are not redundant with federal laws. It just so happens that Massachusetts has the lowest firearm death rate in the country.

So, yeah, you're a fucking idiot and obviously not a Massachusetts licesened firearm owner.

Also, too, trigger locks.

honestly who cares if they are not redundant with federal laws? they are still unenforceable. unless you of course, have the storage police randomly check in.

lowest firearm death in the country, might have a lot more to do with demographics than anything pertaining to storage.

trigger locks can exist but again, unless you have the trigger lock police constantly monitoring your guns if you are irresponsible enough to leave your gun in a corner you are irresponsible enough not to use a trigger lock

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

Yep...right on cue here comes the same tired either/or argument from the Right.

Accoridng to them there's no room in the middle whatsoever, it's got to always be one way or the polar opposite.

Wait, you try to claim that a family that leaves a loaded .22 (that they had just given a child as a gift) leaning in a corner is what anyone would call a "responsible gun owner", and then you accuse someone else of using a tired argument??

WTF?

And the question you keep dodging is a legitimate one. What law or laws would have prevented this tragedy? Would more background checks have prevented it? Would banning assault rifles or high cap. magazines have prevented it?

This is a tragic accident. The root cause of the accident is carelessness by the parents.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

Excuses excuses excuses...

While another child gets sacrificed at Grind's sacred 2nd amendment altar.

the child was sacrificed at your altar, your solutions would not have stopped this incident either. you enjoy kids being killed, you monster.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

Trigger locks. Storage requirements. They probably would have helped to prevent it.

At least you offer solutions that would have done some good in this situation.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

Riiiight...because if someone had previously been injured in that house because someone left a gun standing around...that would NEVER show up on a background check.

Now...would someone please cue Billy for another round of name calling that is the norm whenever I attempt discussion of "responsible gun owners"!

was that the case in this situation? No. You are trying to be deliberately obtuse as possible to hide how fucking stupid you are. Your policies would still have led to this childs death. you are a horrible child killing monster.