Anyone have a right wing media source that I can follow.

[ThatOwlWoman]

Hillary wasn’t talking about the voting process though, like mail in voting and voting machines being compromised.

I didn’t follow Abrams complaint, so I can’t respond to that, but Trump is still talking that the election was stolen, fraud was committed. It’s why his continuing the narrative is different from Clinton.

Exactly.

When mods collide, you win. lol

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I agree with you Damo and you left out going back to the Bush years when Bush 'stole' Ohio and wasn't the rightful winner in 2004. What Trump did was on steroids compared to others but nonetheless there was a lot of silence in '04 and Hillary and Abrams from those complaining about Trump.

Note: This isn't a justification in any way for Trump's actions but this type of behavior was seeping into the system and many people didn't want to say anything about it. And even today many still can't call out Hillary or Abrams. Tribalism is too strong.

Is it "tribalism" when one particular loser, who used to be POTUS and thus has a much larger platform, continues to push the lie that he really won -- over two years later? Is it tribalism, when said loser still has members of an American political party repeating the lies? I bet that it's also tribalism when said loser still counts millions of minions who believe these lies.

Whereas the (D)s who lost are barely a blip on the national radar.

The Trumpanzees are the Klan, the Tribe, the Traitors.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

What jbander can follow is a very open question.

Said our self-proclaimed drunken druggie psycho philanderer.

 

[cawacko]

Is it "tribalism" when one particular loser, who used to be POTUS and thus has a much larger platform, continues to push the lie that he really won -- over two years later? Is it tribalism, when said loser still has members of an American political party repeating the lies? I bet that it's also tribalism when said loser still counts millions of minions who believe these lies.

Whereas the (D)s who lost are barely a blip on the national radar.

The Trumpanzees are the Klan, the Tribe, the Traitors.

The tribalism exists when people can't call out the behavior of those they support. Saying Bush stole the election in '04 and was thus illegitimate was not an insignificant act. Saying Trump stole the election (Hillary went on a tour proclaiming this) and many others saying he was illegitimate was not an insignificant thing. Same with Stacey Adams and her refusal to concede and saying the election was stolen from her.

Things in politics often don't happen in a vacuum. One 'side' lets something happen (because their 'side' did it) then complains when the other 'side' does it at some point down the road.

None of that is a defense of Trump but it doesn't change the other activity.

(As a side note, seeing that there are people of all races who buy Trump's lies about the stolen election there's irony that the Klan is now so diverse. Would never think of them as having a D,E & I policy.)

 

[jbander]

This is a specific group of people, it’s different than a generalized statement.

My point being no matter the size of the number if they are traitors they are traitor and justice should deal with them the same way that they would deal with any one person.

 

[jbander]

I'm curious why you think America is a great country. No country is perfect of course, they all have faults and past sins. But there's an argument out there that based on the amount and depth of our sins at home and the evil we have perpetuated around the world would preclude America from being considered great. You not buying that?

Our guilt is what we do for corporate America in this country. The death count on that is monstrous. We have been in over 200 wars and I can pick only 3 or 4 that we should have been in, the rest were pure evil and had nothing to do with protecting our borders or democracy, they were to protect the bottom line of corporate America or the ungodly wealthy. But even with that, up until 40 years ago our capitalistic system worked and we believed in our country. And we are as free as any country in the world. We are living through one of the ugliest times in our history when the right is taking away the votes of the democrats and is driven by the ugliest hate I've seen in my lifetime.

 

[jbander]

Hillary still thinks she was "swindled" out of the White House, yet you don't seem to care that she thinks the same thing that Trump thinks. Stacy Abrams also thinks she "won" but when the votes were counted she had not, but you don't seem to care that she also thinks the same thing Trump does, even in the same state that Trump thinks that shenanigans took place.

Crap, HillBillary has thought she was "cheated" out of the White House for many more years than Trump thought it, Abrams has thought she was "cheated" out of Governorship of Georgia for as many years as Hillary thought she was "cheated" out of a Presidency. The left doesn't care about this until it is Trump saying it. That, my friend, is what Hypocrisy is made out of. The democrats should rename their party The Hypocratic Party, they would in fact if they were actually "reporting the truth".

Bullshit , I have heard her say that some aspect of her election were problematic but I have never heard her say once that that is the reason she lost , as Trump says 50 times a day to everyone who will listen . She said there was major voter suppression in some states, which there was, and They are still trying to do just that in many hate party run states , This is like all hate party points , it's not even close to apples and apples. They lie or distort, this being a example of distort. Better known as bullshit.

 

[jbander]

What did Hillary do the day after the election? Try and remember. She conceded. When did Trump do that? That ended any problems. She had 3 million more votes and you wonder why she felt ripped off? Comey also did a last-minute press conference that took away a lot of votes. I can see why she felt screwed over. Trump has none of that. Are you saying they are the same?
Hillbillary? She was born in Chicago and graduated from Yale Law. You called her that?
Don't delude yourself about being fair minded.

These haters actually think they have a point. They never do , the best they have is like this crap always.

 

[jbander]

I am saying that HillBillary has been saying for YEARS that she was cheated and I predicted that you would not care then you immediately proved me right.

The reality, the left does not care if folks believe that the elections are not "free and fair", they only care that they think that they can push a narrative. That is hypocrisy, right down to the bone.

Total bullshit . No comparison at all. This is the best you hater can come up with, that's pitiful.

 

[jbander]

I agree with you Damo and you left out going back to the Bush years when Bush 'stole' Ohio and wasn't the rightful winner in 2004. What Trump did was on steroids compared to others but nonetheless there was a lot of silence in '04 and Hillary and Abrams from those complaining about Trump.

Note: This isn't a justification in any way for Trump's actions but this type of behavior was seeping into the system and many people didn't want to say anything about it. And even today many still can't call out Hillary or Abrams. Tribalism is too strong.

Call Hillary out for what shed did , not a bullshit narrative of what some wacko said she did. That's the difference.

 

[jbander]

Is it "tribalism" when one particular loser, who used to be POTUS and thus has a much larger platform, continues to push the lie that he really won -- over two years later? Is it tribalism, when said loser still has members of an American political party repeating the lies? I bet that it's also tribalism when said loser still counts millions of minions who believe these lies.

Whereas the (D)s who lost are barely a blip on the national radar.

The Trumpanzees are the Klan, the Tribe, the Traitors.

They are so weak that their lies about democrats are based on the most prominent actions of their hate group they call a party. What is the apparent ugly truth about them is the charge they go after dems with. It's children dealing with stupid other children.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I'm curious why you think America is a great country. No country is perfect of course, they all have faults and past sins. But there's an argument out there that based on the amount and depth of our sins at home and the evil we have perpetuated around the world would preclude America from being considered great. You not buying that?

Well, let's see...

America as a nation has the following that makes it singular in history:

It is a nation based nearly entirely on mass global immigration. Even within the Americas no other nation can really claim that.

It along with Switzerland, are the two nations that put their people ahead of government--although that is changing today in America.

Of greater nations and powers, America was just about the only one that didn't practice colonialization and outright conquest of other nations. Had the US truly been imperialist and expansionist, they would control the entirety of the Caribbean, all of Central America, likely Canada, most of the Pacific island region. An imperialist and expansionist America would have produced a massive army and simply walked over their neighbors.

The evils of America pale compared to just about any other nation.

 

[BidenPresident]

WHAT EVER THAT MEAN.

You really are not very bright.

 

[Damocles]

I agree with you Damo and you left out going back to the Bush years when Bush 'stole' Ohio and wasn't the rightful winner in 2004. What Trump did was on steroids compared to others but nonetheless there was a lot of silence in '04 and Hillary and Abrams from those complaining about Trump.

Note: This isn't a justification in any way for Trump's actions but this type of behavior was seeping into the system and many people didn't want to say anything about it. And even today many still can't call out Hillary or Abrams. Tribalism is too strong.

Correct, it doesn't justify anything. It isn't meant to. I just note that folks ignore the same actions from whatever side of the fence. "Oh yeah, well they threw water on us!" (While taking a hose at them)...

 

[Yakuda]

Well, let's see...

America as a nation has the following that makes it singular in history:

It is a nation based nearly entirely on mass global immigration. Even within the Americas no other nation can really claim that.

It along with Switzerland, are the two nations that put their people ahead of government--although that is changing today in America.

Of greater nations and powers, America was just about the only one that didn't practice colonialization and outright conquest of other nations. Had the US truly been imperialist and expansionist, they would control the entirety of the Caribbean, all of Central America, likely Canada, most of the Pacific island region. An imperialist and expansionist America would have produced a massive army and simply walked over their neighbors.

The evils of America pale compared to just about any other nation.

Govt is more important than people in America now. What's most sad is so many people seem quite ok with that

 

[Nordberg]

Correct, it doesn't justify anything. It isn't meant to. I just note that folks ignore the same actions from whatever side of the fence. "Oh yeah, well they threw water on us!" (While taking a hose at them)...

They are not close to the same thing. Hillary acted as a patriot and did not question the entire American system. You still are suggesting they are the same and that is absolutely false.