Archaeology of the New Testament

I didn't say determines.
I said if you're interested in seeking the truth.

When you ignore literary style you will sabotage any effort in searching for the truth.

If you read 'Lord of the Rings' as a historical account you are really going to fool yourself about the truth of history.

If you read 'Journey to the Center of the Earth' as a scientific report, you are going to be dumber than before you read the book.

If the read 'Genesis 1' as scientific literature you are ignoring it's purpose as poetry.
It's not poetry!
 
It's not poetry!
The literary structure of parallelism in Genesis 1 strongly suggests it's Hebrew poetry.

There is nothing wrong with using poetry, myth, or parable to communicate fundamental truths. At the level of poetry and metaphor, Genesis 1 is actually a pretty decent story of how the universe and life originated and evolved.
 
The literary structure of parallelism in Genesis 1 strongly suggests it's Hebrew poetry.

There is nothing wrong with using poetry, myth, or parable to communicate fundamental truths. At the level of poetry and metaphor, Genesis 1 is actually a pretty decent story of how the universe and life originated and evolved.
Adam and Eve were real people! If you don't believe that ,read a different book,you're wasting your time
 
You don't have to, but then you are saying that the Bible is presenting a story as an actual event that never happened. When you present something as something it's not, that is a lie, is it not?
For thousands of years, up to and to including today, humans have written poetry, myth, parable, allegory, hyperbole, symbolism, narrative fiction to communicate certain fundamental truths, moral lessons, or existential experiences.

No educated person in the history of the planet has ever said truth, wisdom, and knowledge can only be communicated through scientific reports and historical biographies.
 
To me, the Book of Job is obviously a story intended to make an existential point.

It's not a historical biography of an actual person and a literally true historical event.
 
To me, the Book of Job is obviously a story intended to make an existential point.

It's not a historical biography of an actual person and a literally true historical event.
so why are you always putting such emphasis on caiphus's toilet and all that dumb shit?

you have no core.

you;re a fucking idiot.
 
To me, the Book of Job is obviously a story intended to make an existential point.

It's not a historical biography of an actual person and a literally true historical event.
If you are an educated person who recognizes and respects literary style, you realize Jesus' tale of the prodigal son is a parable that's making theological point. Jesus is not telling a historical biography of an actual person or family.
 
To me, the Book of Job is obviously a story intended to make an existential point.

It's not a historical biography of an actual person and a literally true historical event.
All you write is your complete lack of Spiritual Faith!
You're just another Atheist obsessed with the Bible ,that you believe is fiction,but try to walk the line between rejection and doubt!
 
I assume you refer to Europe and the Americas.
Are other continents thoroughly permeated by Christian zeitgeist?
When I wrote 'civilization' I meant western civilization.
However, because of colonialism and western domination, western/Abrahamic values have permeated the world. Though Buddhism has an enduring toe hold in Asia. I would say even communism in theory unwittingly was an ideology incorporating a New Testament ethos: the rich shall be brought low, and the poor and oppressed shall be lifted up.
I am ethnically Catholic, atheist in terms of not believing in anything supernatural,
and basically in line with NT teachings without actually believing the stories.

However, it seems to me that strict fundamentalist/evangelical/literalist American Christians are actually more OT oriented.
I'm not an expert, but the two evangelical churches I visited here were largely focused on New Testament as their touchstone.
 
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For thousands of years, up to and to including today, humans have written poetry, myth, parable, allegory, hyperbole, symbolism, narrative fiction to communicate certain fundamental truths, moral lessons, or existential experiences.

No educated person in the history of the planet has ever said truth, wisdom, and knowledge can only be communicated through scientific reports and historical biographies.
The Bible isn't viewed as a poetry book for entertainment. The Bible is viewed, by many, as the inerrant word of God. A billion people have structure their lives around it.

So, why do you believe that the story of the flood is just a story while you believe that the other just as unlikely events in the Bible are true?
 
All you write is your complete lack of Spiritual Faith!
You're just another Atheist obsessed with the Bible ,that you believe is fiction,but try to walk the line between rejection and doubt!
The ancient Israelites, and all ancient people of the Near East, were known as story-tellers, not historical biographers.

Historical biography didn't really exist as a literary genre until the Roman Empire and historians like Plutarch.

You don't need everything to be historical biography to communicate truth. You can communicate truth though epic poetry, allegory, symbolism, narrative fiction, etc.

The Baghavad Gita communicates fundamental religious truths to Hindu believers. And you know the Gita is? It's mythology.
 
The ancient Israelites, and all ancient people of the Near East, were known as story-tellers, not historical biographers.

Historical biography didn't really exist as a literary genre until the Roman Empire and historians like Plutarch.

You don't need everything to be historical biography to communicate truth. You can communicate truth though epic poetry, allegory, symbolism, narrative fiction, etc.

The Baghavad Gita communicates fundamental religious truths to Hindu believers. And you know the Gita is? It's mythology.
so why did you start this idiot thread about biblical archaeology as if it means something?
 
The Bible isn't viewed as a poetry book for entertainment. The Bible is viewed, by many, as the inerrant word of God. A billion people have structure their lives around it.

So, why do you believe that the story of the flood is just a story while you believe that the other just as unlikely events in the Bible are true?
Many Americans support MAGA. Many Americans seek to ban guns. Many atheists are obnoxious assholes. Many over age 35 are the most assholish.

Honest people post honest numbers.
Example: https://news.gallup.com/poll/394262/fewer-bible-literal-word-god.aspx
The majority of Christians (58%) say the Bible is the inspired word of God but not everything in it is to be taken literally, while 25% say it should be interpreted literally and 16% say it is an ancient book of fables.

More granularly, 30% of Protestants say that the Bible is literally true, compared with 15% of Catholics. Almost two-thirds of Catholics choose the alternative that the Bible is the inspired word of God, but every word should not be taken literally.

As was the case in 2017, belief in a literal Bible is highest among those who are more religious and among those with less formal education. Americans who identify as evangelical or born again are much more likely than others to view the Bible as literally true, although even among this group, the percentage believing in a literal Bible is well less than 50%.
 
The ancient Israelites, and all ancient people of the Near East, were known as story-tellers, not historical biographers.

Historical biography didn't really exist as a literary genre until the Roman Empire and historians like Plutarch.

You don't need everything to be historical biography to communicate truth. You can communicate truth though epic poetry, allegory, symbolism, narrative fiction, etc.

The Baghavad Gita communicates fundamental religious truths to Hindu believers. And you know the Gita is? It's mythology.
As always you're caught in the time thang!
BUT ,the same Holy Spirit that's been teaching me "Passover" 101 for 50 years!, Is the same Holy Spirit ,that was in the Garden (Holy Toledo) with Adam! Caught a ride from Atlantis to the Middle East with Noah, started the Abraham triple religion,thang, Sent ,Apollyon to deal with a 185000 Yossarians ! Dwelled in the flesh called Jesus,and moved into Mason's apartment Nov 1 1975!
And will have your back when you climb onto Balaam's mule!
 
Many Americans support MAGA. Many Americans seek to ban guns. Many atheists are obnoxious assholes. Many over age 35 are the most assholish.

Honest people post honest numbers.
Example: https://news.gallup.com/poll/394262/fewer-bible-literal-word-god.aspx
The majority of Christians (58%) say the Bible is the inspired word of God but not everything in it is to be taken literally, while 25% say it should be interpreted literally and 16% say it is an ancient book of fables.

More granularly, 30% of Protestants say that the Bible is literally true, compared with 15% of Catholics. Almost two-thirds of Catholics choose the alternative that the Bible is the inspired word of God, but every word should not be taken literally.

As was the case in 2017, belief in a literal Bible is highest among those who are more religious and among those with less formal education. Americans who identify as evangelical or born again are much more likely than others to view the Bible as literally true, although even among this group, the percentage believing in a literal Bible is well less than 50%.
Banning guns would work about as well as Ohio trying to stop Ohioans from buying Weed in Michigan!
 
The ancient Israelites, and all ancient people of the Near East, were known as story-tellers, not historical biographers.

Historical biography didn't really exist as a literary genre until the Roman Empire and historians like Plutarch.

You don't need everything to be historical biography to communicate truth. You can communicate truth though epic poetry, allegory, symbolism, narrative fiction, etc.

The Baghavad Gita communicates fundamental religious truths to Hindu believers. And you know the Gita is? It's mythology.
Agreed.

Also factor in that for thousands of years (until Gutenberg in 1450s) villages and tribes only had one book and in Europe, that book was the Bible. Like the Code of Hammurabi, the Bible served as a code of law. It also served as a health guide in an age without refrigeration and severe lack of medical science. Like Aesop's Fables, it also provided stories with morals. While there is history in the Bible, many of the stories are apocryphal although they often make a point.

To me, the Book of Job is obviously a story intended to make an existential point.

It's not a historical biography of an actual person and a literally true historical event.
Good example.
 
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Banning guns would work about as well as Ohio trying to stop Ohioans from buying Weed in Michigan!
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Many Americans support MAGA. Many Americans seek to ban guns. Many atheists are obnoxious assholes. Many over age 35 are the most assholish.

Honest people post honest numbers.
Example: https://news.gallup.com/poll/394262/fewer-bible-literal-word-god.aspx
The majority of Christians (58%) say the Bible is the inspired word of God but not everything in it is to be taken literally, while 25% say it should be interpreted literally and 16% say it is an ancient book of fables.

More granularly, 30% of Protestants say that the Bible is literally true, compared with 15% of Catholics. Almost two-thirds of Catholics choose the alternative that the Bible is the inspired word of God, but every word should not be taken literally.

As was the case in 2017, belief in a literal Bible is highest among those who are more religious and among those with less formal education. Americans who identify as evangelical or born again are much more likely than others to view the Bible as literally true, although even among this group, the percentage believing in a literal Bible is well less than 50%.
30% of a billion sounds like "many" to me.

Sure, it may be true that the number who believe the Bible is literal will decrease over time, but why? Considering all of the improbable events documented in the Bible, why is that particular story questioned more than others?
 
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