Are blanket pardons before a crime is even committed acceptable?
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Your thread title makes no sense. trump cannot give someone a pardon for crimes he has not yet committed. Pardons are backwards looking, so only for past actions. In theory, trump could promise to give a pardon, if he is still in office when the pardon is needed, but he can not give a future pardon.
Could you mean a blanket pardon for crimes they have not been convicted of yet? trump could give anyone a pardon for all federal crimes they committed up until the pardon.
trump could promise to pardon his children, or anyone else, for actions they commit in the future, but that would carry no legal weight until they committed the crimes, and got the pardon.
Even if trump could and did deliver on the promised pardons, they would not be untouchable. trump can only pardon them for federal crimes. Much of the crimes are state crimes.
Let's say donny junior decides to murder the bishop in Maryland, then his daddy can't save him. But if donny junior murders the bishop in DC, a federal territory, then his daddy can save him.
Diogenes
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Why not?
Joe Biden issued preemptive pardons for several individuals, including prominent critics of Donald Trump and members of his own family.
These pardons were issued in the final hours of his presidency just before Donald Trump's inauguration on January 20, 2025.
Among those pardoned were Dr. Anthony Fauci, retired Gen. Mark Milley, members of the House committee that investigated the January 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, and Biden's siblings and their spouses.
The move was intended to shield these individuals from potential political retribution by the incoming Trump administration.
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You just make shit up, don't you, @Walt?
No, he did not. He issued pardons that were before they went on trial, not pardons before they committed a crime.
If Fauci shot someone before the pardon, and it was found out later, the pardon stands. If Fauci shoots someone today, he would need trump to pardon him.
Do you see how that works?
Diogenes
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Biden pardoned people before they were convicted, not before they committed the actions they could be convicted of. I am sorry you do not understand the difference, but it is a real difference.
Diogenes
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You don't know what preemptive means, do you, Salty Walty?
A preemptive pardon is a type of pardon issued by a president or governor before any legal charges or convictions have been made against an individual. It is designed to protect someone from potential future prosecution for actions they might have taken or for offenses they might be accused of in the future. This type of pardon is controversial because it can be seen as an attempt to shield individuals from accountability before any legal process has determined guilt or innocence. Here are some key points about preemptive pardons:
- Preventive Measure: It acts as a shield against prosecution for specified actions, often used when there's a perceived risk of legal action under a new administration or legal authority.
- Legal and Political Debate: The use of preemptive pardons raises significant legal, ethical, and political debates. Critics argue it undermines the justice system by preempting due process, while proponents might see it as protecting individuals from political vendettas.
- Historical Context: Preemptive pardons are not common but have historical precedents. For instance, President Gerald Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon in 1974 can be seen as a form of preemptive action, although it was after Nixon resigned and was not formally charged.
- Scope: The pardon can be broad or narrow, covering a range of potential charges or specific acts. It's typically detailed in the pardon document what actions or potential crimes are being covered.
- Constitutional Power: In the U.S., the president's power to pardon is derived from Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution, which allows the president to "grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment." However, the preemptive nature of such pardons has not been explicitly tested in court in many jurisdictions.
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Never was. Pardoning someone that has not been convicted is senseless, and doesn't protect anybody.
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FTFY
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Not possible. You cannot pardon someone that has not yet been convicted. It's meaningless. Such preemptive 'pardons' protect no one.
Indeed, I do. They are not merely lying halfwits, but massive hypocrites who ate everything they accuse others of being.
Why one cannot argue with a mentally unstable leftist halfwit. 
.....and accepting them can be viewed as an admission of guilt.