APP - Are Newsmax, OANN, and Fox Media threats to American Democracy?

[Dutch Uncle]

Actually, about 80 to 90% will plea out to misdemeanor charges and get a slap on the wrist, the other 10% will be split between those that have enough resources to go to trial or face serious charges. The ones that go to trial will mostly end up being dropped as the government won't have a solid case against them. The others in this group facing serious charges will plea out to a single felony and do minimum security time of maybe a year or two at most.

Federal persecutors don't want trials. They damn sure don't want one where the defendant and their lawyer is demanding discovery like all--ALL--of the security camera recorded video, all 14,000 hours of it. The persecutor will know that that is going to open a huge can of worms politically and is to be avoided. Better to let one defendant walk than have ammunition made public to let dozens, possibly up to a hundred or more, walk.

We can wager on it or simply wait for the sentencings to begin. Regardless, most of these dipshits have certainly been fired from their jobs if they had one. Any plea is a guilty plea. They'll carry that record for the rest of their lives...not that many of them were going to become VPs of Fortune 500 companies. LOL

How many have a previous record? Weapons charges? Public disturbance in other protests? These idiots are fucked with a capital "F".


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/capitol-insurrection-jail-time-jan-6-cases
As prosecutors close in on charging 500 people with joining the Jan. 6 insurrection at the US Capitol, just how much prison time — or how little — alleged rioters are facing is starting to become clear.

Defendants who plead guilty to some of the most serious crimes, like assaulting police or carrying a weapon into the Capitol, are facing an average baseline sentence between three to four years behind bars; that could go up depending on the level of violence or down if the person cooperates, among other factors. Defendants hit with a nonviolent felony, such as obstructing Congress, are looking at an average baseline of around a year and a half. And federal law caps sentences for misdemeanors such as disorderly conduct and protesting in the Capitol between six months and a year, which means first-time offenders who cut a deal could argue for no prison time at all.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

We can wager on it or simply wait for the sentencings to begin. Regardless, most of these dipshits have certainly been fired from their jobs if they had one. Any plea is a guilty plea. They'll carry that record for the rest of their lives...not that many of them were going to become VPs of Fortune 500 companies. LOL

How many have a previous record? Weapons charges? Public disturbance in other protests? These idiots are fucked with a capital "F".


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/capitol-insurrection-jail-time-jan-6-cases
As prosecutors close in on charging 500 people with joining the Jan. 6 insurrection at the US Capitol, just how much prison time — or how little — alleged rioters are facing is starting to become clear.

Defendants who plead guilty to some of the most serious crimes, like assaulting police or carrying a weapon into the Capitol, are facing an average baseline sentence between three to four years behind bars; that could go up depending on the level of violence or down if the person cooperates, among other factors. Defendants hit with a nonviolent felony, such as obstructing Congress, are looking at an average baseline of around a year and a half. And federal law caps sentences for misdemeanors such as disorderly conduct and protesting in the Capitol between six months and a year, which means first-time offenders who cut a deal could argue for no prison time at all.

Only 2% of federal criminal defendants go to trial, and most who do are found guilty

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...nal justice,but just 2% of them went to trial.

Like in Vegas you play the odds...

Since the great majority of the 500+ charged are looking at misdemeanor charges for trespass and disturbing the peace, most will do little or no time in prison.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...nal justice,but just 2% of them went to trial.

Like in Vegas you play the odds...

Since the great majority of the 500+ charged are looking at misdemeanor charges for trespass and disturbing the peace, most will do little or no time in prison.

Agreed. They'll go back to their former employer with their guilty plea of attacking the Capitol and ask for their job back. LOL

I used to love Vegas. It taught me a lot. I was at MCAS Tustin and was a 3 hour drive away. I'd go about once a quarter.

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

It's not going to happen because parents do not WANT it to happen. Hell, in some school districts they don't even want their kids to learn basic things like sex ed and/or basic science like evolution. They certainly don't want them to learn to question authority, which is what critical thinking boils down to. If you teach them that, why they might start questioning YOUR authority, or the words in the Bible, and we can't have *that,* now can we?

""Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."" -- Texas GOP (source: https://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/news/2012-06-27/gop-opposes-critical-thinking/ )

Knowing the proper timing of when to question authority is key. We have demonstrations every day now because someone with a long criminal history can't follow simple directions to remain still with no sudden actions.

I think environment plays a huge difference in what people see as fact. Someone living in NYC, San Francisco, Chicago, or LA are never going to see the same picture as someone living in a small rural community or small metro as laws, taxes, and other policies are all different. I live in a small community and do not see the inflated taxes, strange polices (example -citizens can't pump their own gas) or inflated material costs due to taxes on services and those materials. One's factual view greatly depends on where they live and the policies/laws/environment they work and live in.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Knowing the proper timing of when to question authority is key. We have demonstrations every day now because someone with a long criminal history can't follow simple directions to remain still with no sudden actions.

I think environment plays a huge difference in what people see as fact. Someone living in NYC, San Francisco, Chicago, or LA are never going to see the same picture as someone living in a small rural community or small metro as laws, taxes, and other policies are all different. I live in a small community and do not see the inflated taxes, strange polices (example -citizens can't pump their own gas) or inflated material costs due to taxes on services and those materials. One's factual view greatly depends on where they live and the policies/laws/environment they work and live in.

I agree that we have different points of view depending on where we grew up and where we live now, plus our life experiences. Even so, this doesn't address the fear and anger that many RWers feel when discussing things like the teaching of critical thinking, race and racism, evolution, etc.

Your first sentence shows nothing more than the huge gulf between privileged whites and not-so-privileged people of color. You boiled down the establishment's murder of unarmed black men to a simplistic talking point. This is why propaganda outlets like the media mentioned in the thread title truly *are* dangerous to America. You want those annoying demonstrations to go away? Then try listening to what the protesters are saying, try to walk in their shoes. Keep your face and mind in their safe place -- those same RW media that tell you what you want to hear -- and you will continue to be watching from the sidelines, rather than being part of the solution to our issues.

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

I agree that we have different points of view depending on where we grew up and where we live now, plus our life experiences. Even so, this doesn't address the fear and anger that many RWers feel when discussing things like the teaching of critical thinking, race and racism, evolution, etc.

Your first sentence shows nothing more than the huge gulf between privileged whites and not-so-privileged people of color. You boiled down the establishment's murder of unarmed black men to a simplistic talking point. This is why propaganda outlets like the media mentioned in the thread title truly *are* dangerous to America. You want those annoying demonstrations to go away? Then try listening to what the protesters are saying, try to walk in their shoes. Keep your face and mind in their safe place -- those same RW media that tell you what you want to hear -- and you will continue to be watching from the sidelines, rather than being part of the solution to our issues.

more than 90% of shootings involve a person not obeying simple directions, Policemen are trained to go home at night meaning they can't/won't wait to see what is coming out of a pocket, glove compartment, or from under the seat. I guarantee you would not wait either, no person can unless you are saying law enforcement lives are worth less. We have two policeman in our family and I wouldn't want that job for 10 times what i make. If you have a criminal back ground and they know who you are, you damn well be tter be still and not move suddenly.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

more than 90% of shootings involve a person not obeying simple directions, Policemen are trained to go home at night meaning they can't/won't wait to see what is coming out of a pocket, glove compartment, or from under the seat. I guarantee you would not wait either, no person can unless you are saying law enforcement lives are worth less. We have two policeman in our family and I wouldn't want that job for 10 times what i make. If you have a criminal back ground and they know who you are, you damn well be tter be still and not move suddenly.

Once again, you are deflecting.

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

Once again, you are deflecting.

no just stating a fact from a policemans point of view which you choose to ignore

 

[midcan5]

This thread has gone a bit off topic. The issue here is are these media sources honest news sources. Do they cover topics fairly or do they simply present one POV? Watching them is an exercise in propaganda. I watch them and with very few exceptions their reporting is biased right wing constantly finding fault with Pres Biden etc. Criticism is ok but when that is all you do. you are not a news source.

'Democrats question TV carriers' decisions to host Fox, OAN and Newsmax, citing 'misinformation'

'The lawmakers sent letters to AT&T, Verizon, Roku, Amazon, Apple, Comcast, Charter, DISH, Cox, Altice, Hulu and Alphabet.'

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/22/democrats-conservative-media-misinformation-470863

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Knowing the proper timing of when to question authority is key.

This is the heart of the matter. There is a time and place to fight city hall, but it has to be the right time and the right place.

 

[RB 60]

This is the heart of the matter. There is a time and place to fight city hall, but it has to be the right time and the right place.

And it can't be "commanded" (lol!) by a painted up horned guy with a bunch of unorganized protesters.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I find it very interesting that if one was to ask others why they doubt factcheckers, all they could come up with maybe one or two examples of erroneous factchecking.
I also find it very interesting that the same people think factcheckers are too biased because their favorite RW media says so.

It's because we live in an age of Boutique Cable News, projection and gaslighting. It's been growing since the 90s and 1/6 was an example of it peaking.

The Billion Dollar lawsuits against Fox, Newsmax and OANN are interesting as a means to fight back against deliberate misinformation and outright lies dressed as "News".

 

[Litmus]

Most of the information presented by Fox OAN and Newsmax pretends to be news but is opinion. Opinion that appeals to a segment of society that already agrees. Opinionated presentation targets divisive issues rather than reporting or analysis. It is an internal political correctness that sees news or politics through an agreed upon lenses that is often anti-democratic, anti-science, and even anti-intelligence. These media sources pretend to be conservative they are not. They conserve nothing, they posture, dismiss, and divide.

It is an irony that Fox has become worse in an attempt to keep OAN and Newsmax at bay. Viewers are money. Modern American so called Conservative media now vies for the ridiculous if it feeds a bias, a hate, or criticizes. Add to this the death of local media along with the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine, Citizen's United, and the goose is cooked. Dark Money now rules.

Add online media sources that appear in searches and news feeds. Many of these are dark money supported sites pretending to be news when they are agitprop. Political power and corporate power do not like democracy. Democracy too often muddies the water, a citizen sees the world differently than a government bureaucrat or a profit seeking corporate officer. How does that corporation control democracy, it controls the information media presents and it targets information based on the social profiles of its viewers, often white and rural. Dog whistles dominate.

Democratic government is the favorite bogeyman of autocratic government. Lesser players in this game of deception include Breitbart, Townhall, and a host of sites that can be found in Internet searches - questionable sources are covered in links below. Online trolls have also proliferated in online social media. Some even gravitate to conspiracy sites or ideas of secession. This divisiveness takes many forms such as private schools, religious separation, and isolated rural community settings. Public education is too democratic, too open. How for instance could a pandemic become something other than a pandemic. Gaslighting from Fox ET AL have created a world of doubt. America leads the world in Covid-19 deaths, misinformation has consequences.

So how do we understand the topic question when media is opinion, distortion, dog whistles, targeted, oppositional, using loaded words, words meant as pejorative or audience specific? Content without thought, words like 'cancel' 'woke' 'leftist' 'liberal' 'socialist' 'border' 'trans' 'guns' etcetera. What do they really mean outside the club? Their appeal is to tribe, to emotion, not content or analysis. Misinformation and distortion weaken a nation's political conversation. Ask always who benefits, what is its purpose, and is the information news or opinion. Seek sources that explain without always pointing fingers.

Daniel Pipes wrote. "First, democracy is more than holding elections; it requires the development of civil society, meaning such complex and counter intuitive institutions as the rule of law, an independent judiciary, multiple political parties, minority rights, voluntary associations, freedom of expression, movement, and assembly. Democracy is a learned habit, not an instinctive one, that requires deep attitudinal changes such as a culture of restraint, a commonality of values, a respect for differences of view, the concept of loyal opposition, and a sense of civic responsibility."

'The Five Biggest Threats Our Democracy Faces'

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/five-biggest-threats-our-democracy-faces

And the SCOTUS threat:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...-biden-expand-supreme-court-trump-republicans

Information Sources to check:

https://iffy.news/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fake-news/
http://politics.flackcheck.org/patterns-of-deception/

One online news site I recommend: https://www.theguardian.com/us


"Let us wage a moral and political war against the billionaires and corporate leaders, on Wall Street and elsewhere, whose policies and greed are destroying the middle class of America." Bernie Sanders

Daniel pipes, lifelong Jewish supremacist and Zionist killbot.

 

[midcan5]

It's because we live in an age of Boutique Cable News, projection and gaslighting. It's been growing since the 90s and 1/6 was an example of it peaking.

The Billion Dollar lawsuits against Fox, Newsmax and OANN are interesting as a means to fight back against deliberate misinformation and outright lies dressed as "News".

For the serious reader and student read this history of the movement by a republican. Excellent read and it started long ago. I may quote it later.


'It Was All a Lie: How the Republican Party Became Donald Trump' by Stuart Stevens

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/48806578-it-was-all-a-lie



PS Name calling is childish and kinda stupid as post 153 demonstrates.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

For the serious reader and student read this history of the movement by a republican. Excellent read and it started long ago. I may quote it later.


'It Was All a Lie: How the Republican Party Became Donald Trump' by Stuart Stevens

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/48806578-it-was-all-a-lie



PS Name calling is childish and kinda stupid as post 153 demonstrates.

Many people made predictions about all the secrets spilling out of the Trump White House once he left. That prediction is certainly coming true.

The Truth shall set you free....but it might put some Trump fans in jail. I think Bannon's chances of prison just doubled.

 

[Litmus]

Many people made predictions about all the secrets spilling out of the Trump White House once he left. That prediction is certainly coming true.

The Truth shall set you free....but it might put some Trump fans in jail. I think Bannon's chances of prison just doubled.

Like what?

 

[Phantasmal]

What's that?

It’s a rule you’ve violated. Please review the rules and follow them or you will lose your APP privilege, thanks.

 

[Litmus]

It’s a rule you’ve violated. Please review the rules and follow them or you will lose your APP privilege, thanks.

I don't think so.

 

[Phantasmal]

I don't think so.

Stay on topic and don’t use insults, thanks.

 

[Litmus]

Stay on topic and don’t use insults, thanks.

Ok. Daniel pipes, quoted above, is a committed islamophobe.

https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/factsheet-daniel-pipes
Daniel Pipes is an academic and founder of the right-wing think-tank, Middle East Forum. Pipes supports racial profiling and the surveillance of Muslim communities and believes Muslims in the United States seek to infiltrate and overthrow the country.