Are the COVID choices you're being offered ACTUALLY choices??

[Into the Night]

No I didn't. I said getting pregnant is a risk even with birth control. In other words, if she gets pregnant, it is the fault of the birth control or they didn't use it properly.

Denial of self argument (post #73). Pivot fallacy.

 

[AProudLefty]

Denial of self argument (post #73). He is not speaking for you. Fallacy fallacy. No insult occurred. Fallacy fallacy. Playing dumb won't help you.

Normal fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

It appears that you have a reading comprehension issue.

Of course having a baby is a blessing.

Denial of self argument (post #73). Pivot fallacy. Trolling.

 

[Into the Night]

Are you sure you aren't Into the Night since you seem to parrot him so well and also like him you are oblivious to sarcasm. You and Into the Night are two peas in a pod. Both ignorant but pretending you know so much more than you actually do.

I have been told numerous times what RQAA means? Care to find even one instance of me being told what RQAA means? Oh wait. You just like to lie and then refuse to back up your lies when asked to show us evidence in support of your claim. I won't hold my breath waiting for you to find even one time you explained RQAA to me since it has never occurred since I have never asked what RQAA means before now. Once again, are you sure you aren't Into the Night since you use the same tactics he uses in that rather than giving an actual explanation you simply declare that you already did but then can never point to where you did what you claimed.


Based on what court ruling? Your opinion is not a valid metric for constitutionality and is not accepted in any court of law.


Are you sure you aren't Into the Night since you make the same mistakes in logic as he does and also like him don't understand sarcasm. Simply declaring "paradox" doesn't make something a paradox nor does it clarify how you think something is a paradox. I know exactly what a paradox is. It's something you and Into the Night seem to have a problem with defining or explaining when you throw out the term in order to avoid discussing the actual topic.

YALSA. RQAA. False authority fallacy. You cannot resolve your paradox by denial. Redefinition fallacy. Fallacy fallacy. Trolling. Denial of logic. No argument presented.

 

[Into the Night]

Since you have a problem with the usage of the word "risk" when it comes to getting pregnant, I shall use the word, "chance". Deal?

Denial of self argument (post #73).

 

[AProudLefty]

Denial of self argument (post #73). Pivot fallacy. Trolling.

I do not deny what I said.

They are aware of the risk. Birth control is not 100% foolproof.

 

[Into the Night]

I never called pregnancy a risk. And no I am not retracting it. I'll use the term "chance" though to keep you happy.

Denial of self argument (post #73). Paradox. Irrational. No argument presented.

 

[Into the Night]

I know what I said and I do not deny it. You lied saying that I do not consider that pregnancy is a blessing.

Denial of self argument (post #73). Paradox. Pivot fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

No argument presented by you. If you care to show me where you "described" as opposed to defined your term, I will apologize. Until then you are simply trolling by refusing to discuss and answer questions.
No argument presented.
No argument presented.


An interesting paradox. Into the Night responds to a post directed at gfm as if the post was directed to Into the Night and yet they claim they are 2 completely different people.

Then Into the Night has the exact same belief that gfm has that OSHA is unconstitutional and Into the Night has the same amount of evidence for that belief that gfm does, zero. In fact Into the Night seems to take pride in having no evidence when he claims "no evidence needed." The US Constitution says nothing about OSHA. OSHA is not listed in Art 1 Section 9 under powers denied Congress. If the Constitution is the only authoritative reference than one would expect that something that is a power denied to Congress would be listed under the powers denied to Congress. The Constitution does give Congress the power to regulate commerce between the states in Article I section 8. It would be impossible to regulate commerce if the business that conduct that commerce can not be regulated. OSHA is a business regulation and as such would appear to fall under the powers of Congress to regulate commerce. But then OSHA is also about safety which can be considered the welfare of citizens and the Congress has the power to provide for the general welfare of the United States under Article I section 8. So there are two separate powers granted to Congress that can be used to support OSHA and no powers denied to Congress than can be used to declare OSHA unconstitutional. Claiming the Constitution is the authoritative source for you belief is undermined by the Constitution itself since it does not deny Congress the power to create OSHA.

Inversion fallacy. RQAA. Discard of the Constitution. You cannot use the 'general welfare' clause to cancel the rest of the Constitution. It is NOT a power or authority. Congress has NO authority to create anything like OSHA.

 

[Into the Night]

SO now you are denying that tests for Covid can be done using mucus or saliva? It seems you want to pretend that Covid tests can only be performed in one way when the reality is not that way at all.

It looks like I was being overly pessimistic in saying you would require 20 posts to resort to the fallacy fallacy twice. You were able to commit the fallacy fallacy in 2 out of your next 4 posts. Congratulations. You continue to prove you are quite good at not having any intelligent discussions.

Semantics fallacy. Redefinition fallacy. Inversion fallacy. Denial of logic. Trolling. No argument presented.

 

[Into the Night]

All the possible real options for Covid are offered, except allowing the unvaxxed to give it to vaxxed. Want to work in a company with over 100 employees, they will give you a free vaccine. Don't want to, then do not work there or, wear a mask. Lots of options.

Those are not options. Paradox V. Paradox M. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

 

[Into the Night]

I am still waiting for your evidence of when you told me. Don't have any? Can't find any? Happy to tell lies because you have no morals? All of the above? (Those are choices. You free to pick one or more.)

RQAA.

An interesting argument. Care to show where the US Constitution says OSHA is unconstitutional?

RQAA.

Let me tell you the same thing I told Into the Night when he made the same claim and since you claim you are not the same person and then perhaps unlike Into the Night you can provide an actual argument using the US Constitution to support your belief that is not grounded in any Constitutional text.

YALSA.

The US Constitution says nothing about OSHA.

Correct.

OSHA is not listed in Art 1 Section 9 under powers denied Congress. If the Constitution is the only authoritative reference than one would expect that something that is a power denied to Congress would be listed under the powers denied to Congress.

Not the way a constitution works. It doesn't have to be specifically denied.

The Constitution does give Congress the power to regulate commerce between the states in Article I section 8. It would be impossible to regulate commerce if the business that conduct that commerce can not be regulated. OSHA is a business regulation and as such would appear to fall under the powers of Congress to regulate commerce. But then OSHA is also about safety which can be considered the welfare of citizens and the Congress has the power to provide for the general welfare of the United States under Article I section 8.

You cannot use interstate regulation power to authorize OSHA. OSHA does not concern interstate commerce.

So there are two separate powers granted to Congress that can be used to support OSHA

None.

and no powers denied to Congress that can be used to declare OSHA unconstitutional.

Not required. Denial of republic.

Claiming the Constitution is the authoritative source for your belief is undermined by the Constitution itself since it does not deny Congress the power to create OSHA.

Paradox. You cannot discard and wrap yourself in the Constitution at the same time.

I won't hold my breath waiting for your argument based on the Constitutional text since I doubt you have ever read the US Constitution let alone understand it.

Inversion fallacy.

If you were to make a cogent argument using the Constitution that would go a long way toward proving you are not the same as Into the Night.

YALSA. Attempted force of negative proof fallacy.

You two peas sure live in the same pod.

We use the same Constitution. The Constitution of the United States. It is the ONLY authoritative reference of the Constitution of the United States.

Break out and prove you can think on your own.

Already have. Too bad you missed it!

I still won't hold my breath. I like to breathe. It keeps my head clear.

Guess it doesn't work. Your head is not clear.

Maybe that's your problem. You need to take a few deep breaths before you stumble Into the Night.

Cliche fallacy.

Trolling. Argument by repetition fallacy (chanting). No argument presented.

 

[Into the Night]

I do not deny what I said.

You already did. You are locked in paradox. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox. Irrational.

 

[AProudLefty]

You already did. You are locked in paradox. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox. Irrational.

LOL

 

[Into the Night]

LOL

You can't laugh your way out of a paradox either.

 

[Hawkeye10]

'Obey' is the one and only "choice" (demand).

'Get hurt' is the punishment for not complying with the demand.

I dont feel like this post was necessary.

 

[gfm7175]

I am still waiting for your evidence of when you told me.

The text of you (and others) being told what RQAA stands for is on this forum. Do a search for it. Can you not do your own homework??

Don't have any?

It is text on this forum.

Can't find any?

It is text on this forum.

Happy to tell lies because you have no morals?

I am not lying. Do a search within this forum for it. It's there.

All of the above? (Those are choices. You free to pick one or more.)

See above.

An interesting argument. Care to show where the US Constitution says OSHA is unconstitutional? Let me tell you the same thing I told Into the Night when he made the same claim and since you claim you are not the same person and then perhaps unlike Into the Night you can provide an actual argument using the US Constitution to support your belief that is not grounded in any Constitutional text.

RQAA.

The US Constitution says nothing about OSHA.

This you have correct.

OSHA is not listed in Art 1 Section 9 under powers denied Congress. If the Constitution is the only authoritative reference than one would expect that something that is a power denied to Congress would be listed under the powers denied to Congress.

That's not how the constitution works. It enumerates the specific powers that federal government has.

The Constitution does give Congress the power to regulate commerce between the states in Article I section 8. It would be impossible to regulate commerce if the business that conduct that commerce can not be regulated. OSHA is a business regulation and as such would appear to fall under the powers of Congress to regulate commerce.

OSHA is not interstate commerce.

But then OSHA is also about safety which can be considered the welfare of citizens and the Congress has the power to provide for the general welfare of the United States under Article I section 8.

There is no 'general welfare' power that supersedes the enumerated powers within the constitution.

So there are two separate powers granted to Congress that can be used to support OSHA

Nope, there are NO powers granted to Congress with regard to OSHA.

and no powers denied to Congress that can be used to declare OSHA unconstitutional.

There's no need for specific denial language; that's not how a constitution works. A power needs to be enumerated in order for federal government to have it.

Claiming the Constitution is the authoritative source for your belief is undermined by the Constitution itself since it does not deny Congress the power to create OSHA.

You cannot both deny and accept the constitution.

I won't hold my breath waiting for your argument based on the Constitutional text since I doubt you have ever read the US Constitution let alone understand it.

Your issue, not mine.

If you were to make a cogent argument using the Constitution that would go a long way toward proving you are not the same as Into the Night.

I just did.

You two peas sure live in the same pod. Break out and prove you can think on your own.

Already have.

I still won't hold my breath. I like to breathe. It keeps my head clear. Maybe that's your problem. You need to take a few deep breaths before you stumble Into the Night.

 

[gfm7175]

I dont feel like this post was necessary.

... and I feel like it was.

 

[Nordberg]

Those are not options. Paradox V. Paradox M. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

Those are simple and plain options. Quit being so damn dishonest. There is no paradox in a list of options. It is not even an argument.

 

[gfm7175]

I know what I said

Correct, but yet you continue to deny what you said even though one can go back to your posts and see precisely what you said.

You are a compulsive liar.

and I do not deny it.

QED of above. You are STILL denying it, dude.

You lied

Annnnnnnnnnnd now you're projecting your own lying onto me... YOU own it, dude.

saying that I do not consider that pregnancy is a blessing.

You don't, as you've repeatedly called pregnancy a risk.