Are the existence of matter and energy life's ONLY mysteries?

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I would opine that they are.
The presence of sub-atomic matter and energy,
in my view,
made the totally random manifestation of EVERYTHING ELSE inevitable.

To me, the origin of matter and energy is the only relevant unknown.
Once they existed in an infinite universe, however that may have occurred,
everything that's happened since was going to happen randomly with no other influence.

I can't swear that this is true,
but equally, I can't imagine any other plausible explanation.
 
To me, the origin of matter and energy is the only relevant unknown.
There are also a pantheon of immaterial mathematical laws that govern the constitution, organization, and behavior of the quantum fields and fundamental particles of physical reality, and we have no idea why those mathematical laws of physics exist or where they came from.
 
I would opine that they are.
The presence of sub-atomic matter and energy,
in my view,
made the totally random manifestation of EVERYTHING ELSE inevitable.

To me, the origin of matter and energy is the only relevant unknown.
Once they existed in an infinite universe, however that may have occurred,
everything that's happened since was going to happen randomly with no other influence.

I can't swear that this is true,
but equally, I can't imagine any other plausible explanation.
Why is there a world. I have never seen anyone give a reason. I do not think there is a cause.
 
There are also a pantheon of immaterial mathematical laws that govern the constitution, organization, and behavior of the quantum fields and fundamental particles of physical reality, and we have no idea why those mathematical laws of physics exist or where they came from.
How does math exist if there is no material?
 
There are also a pantheon of immaterial mathematical laws that govern the constitution, organization, and behavior of the quantum fields and fundamental particles of physical reality, and we have no idea why those mathematical laws of physics exist or where they came from.
You know my explanation already.
Right or wrong, it's the only one that appears possible to me.

I believe the universe is infinite
because anything not infinite has boundaries
and every boundary has something on the other side of it,
even if it's an infinite vacuum.

Anything that is actually possible to exist,
including the most complex of mathematical laws,
HAS to ultimately manifest itself in an infinite universe.

It's all, in my personal view, some kind of random confluence of matter and energy factors.

Even the thoughts in our head,
including our core values, are totally organic--random electrical impulses between neurons--

appearing to have logic only because every combination of everything is going to exist in infinity.
1-2-3-4-5-6 is a winning PowerBall ticket somewhere in this universe.

I'm not proselytizing this theory.
I'm accepting it for myself because it's the only conclusion to which I'm able to arrive.

I listen to other theories with interest,
but in the end, they take on the appearance of something imagined under self-imposed duress,
 
You know my explanation already.
Right or wrong, it's the only one that appears possible to me.

I believe the universe is infinite
because anything not infinite has boundaries
and every boundary has something on the other side of it,
even if it's an infinite vacuum.

Anything that is actually possible to exist,
including the most complex of mathematical laws,
HAS to ultimately manifest itself in an infinite universe.

It's all, in my personal view, some kind of random confluence of matter and energy factors.

Even the thoughts in our head,
including our core values, are totally organic--random electrical impulses between neurons--

appearing to have logic only because every combination of everything is going to exist in infinity.
1-2-3-4-5-6 is a winning PowerBall ticket somewhere in this universe.

I'm not proselytizing this theory.
I'm accepting it for myself because it's the only conclusion to which I'm able to arrive.

I listen to other theories with interest,
but in the end, they take on the appearance of something imagined under self-imposed duress,
There's less tangible evidence for an infinitely large and infinitely old universe than there is for rational organizing eternal logos or law-giver underlying all of physical creation. That's why I am not quick to pick sides.

To make it work, your idea also has to include massive assumptions, none of which are supported by evidence: that the natural laws can actually vary across spacetime, and that the universal physical constants can actually attain different values.

That's just my two cents
 
There are also a pantheon of immaterial mathematical laws that govern the constitution, organization, and behavior of the quantum fields and fundamental particles of physical reality, and we have no idea why those mathematical laws of physics exist or where they came from.
and additionally, it doesnt fucking matter and you're boring.
 
There's less tangible evidence for an infinitely large and infinitely old universe than there is for rational organizing eternal logos or law-giver underlying all of physical creation. That's why I am not quick to pick sides.

To make it work, your idea also has to include massive assumptions, none of which are supported by evidence: that the natural laws can actually vary across spacetime, and that the universal physical constants can actually attain different values.

That's just my two cents
just because math can be used to describe things doeesn;t mean there's a "law giver".

theocratic / tyranny horseshit.

you're very dumb.
 
There are also a pantheon of immaterial mathematical laws that govern the constitution, organization, and behavior of the quantum fields and fundamental particles of physical reality, and we have no idea why those mathematical laws of physics exist or where they came from.

Here's a HUGE Puzzler: where does 1+1=2 come from?

Oh wait, it's a fuckin' IDENTITY.

There is no "mystery" to equations, Cy. Just because they give you a chance to "show off" by listing random things like "quantum fields" doesn't mean that EQUATIONS are evidence of God.


This "gambit" isn't quite as "super erudite" as you imagine it.
 
I would opine that they are.
The presence of sub-atomic matter and energy,
in my view,
made the totally random manifestation of EVERYTHING ELSE inevitable.

To me, the origin of matter and energy is the only relevant unknown.
Once they existed in an infinite universe, however that may have occurred,
everything that's happened since was going to happen randomly with no other influence.

I can't swear that this is true,
but equally, I can't imagine any other plausible explanation.
The crux of it is, I genuinely struggle to accept that our existence sprang from pure chance. Admittedly, every alternative explanation stretches credulity just as much. Yet, like many, I find the evidence for a divine hand, however elusive, more compelling than a cosmos devoid of purpose. My aim here is to offer my alternative perspective, not to spark a debate, been there, done that, and might again, but not feeling it right now.

I respect your stance, having leaned closer to it myself at times, wrestling with the idea of a random universe versus a designed one. Your humility in admitting “I can’t swear this is true” is refreshing, a rare antidote to the dogma of those who claim certainty where none exists. In my view, the origin story of life remains an enigma no one can definitively unravel, and I suspect it always will.
 
I would opine that they are.
The presence of sub-atomic matter and energy,
in my view,
made the totally random manifestation of EVERYTHING ELSE inevitable.

To me, the origin of matter and energy is the only relevant unknown.
Once they existed in an infinite universe, however that may have occurred,
everything that's happened since was going to happen randomly with no other influence.

I can't swear that this is true,
but equally, I can't imagine any other plausible explanation.
You gave no explanation.
 
There are also a pantheon of immaterial mathematical laws that govern the constitution, organization, and behavior of the quantum fields and fundamental particles of physical reality, and we have no idea why those mathematical laws of physics exist or where they came from.
Buzzword fallacies. You're bullshitting again.
 
There's less tangible evidence for an infinitely large and infinitely old universe than there is for rational organizing eternal logos or law-giver underlying all of physical creation. That's why I am not quick to pick sides.

To make it work, your idea also has to include massive assumptions, none of which are supported by evidence: that the natural laws can actually vary across spacetime, and that the universal physical constants can actually attain different values.

That's just my two cents
Universal constants are not dependent on the universe, Sybil. You're bullshitting again. WTF is an 'eternal logo'????
 
Here's a HUGE Puzzler: where does 1+1=2 come from?
Axioms and proofs extending from them.
Oh wait, it's a fuckin' IDENTITY.
Not an identity. The axiom defining '1' and another defining '+' and a third defining '=' is what defines '2', and all the other positive integers.
There is no "mystery" to equations, Cy.
There is to someone that doesn't know mathematics, like Cy,
Just because they give you a chance to "show off" by listing random things like "quantum fields" doesn't mean that EQUATIONS are evidence of God.
He's not showing off. He's bullshitting. He thinks throwing random phrases around like 'quantum fields' makes him thmart.
Equations do not prove God. They do not prove there is no God. Mathematics is completely atheistic. Like science, it simply doesn't go there. To mathematics, science, or logic, whether a god or gods exist or not is irrelevant. They are the same either way.
 
The crux of it is, I genuinely struggle to accept that our existence sprang from pure chance. Admittedly, every alternative explanation stretches credulity just as much. Yet, like many, I find the evidence for a divine hand, however elusive, more compelling than a cosmos devoid of purpose. My aim here is to offer my alternative perspective, not to spark a debate, been there, done that, and might again, but not feeling it right now.

I respect your stance, having leaned closer to it myself at times, wrestling with the idea of a random universe versus a designed one. Your humility in admitting “I can’t swear this is true” is refreshing, a rare antidote to the dogma of those who claim certainty where none exists. In my view, the origin story of life remains an enigma no one can definitively unravel, and I suspect it always will.
So here is the problem with the Theory of Abiogenesis (which claims that life on Earth came about through a series of random unspecified events):

Assuming this theory to be True for a moment, say a cell manages to come about. What's it going to eat? It can't use light (photosynthesis requires a complex structure). This single accident must gain energy somehow in order to divide, and it can't use light.

Assuming that somehow TWO cells happen randomly independent of each other. Now one can eat the other, and gain sufficient energy to divide once. Now what? You still have only two cells!

Then, of course, there is the Theory of Creation, which states that life arrived on Earth through the action of some kind of intelligence. In effect, the Earth was seeded by an outside source.

The Theory of Creation usually assumes some sort of god or gods, but it could be anything. For all we know, we are the result of a horrible lab accident and they dumped it on Earth to get rid of it!

The Theory of Creation is mutually exclusive with the Theory of Abiogenesis. If one is True, the other MUST be False.

Neither theory is a theory of science. They are both religions.

There are also two mutually exclusive theories concerning the Universe as a whole (pardon my choice of words, since the size of the Universe is a Nan and is infinite for all we know).

The Theory of the Big Bang states that the Universe originated from some kind of explosion, and that the Universe is 'expanding'. This is kinda weird, since the Universe has no known boundary. So what's 'expanding'?? Worse, if a god or gods caused this, where were they? There was no Universe yet!

A mutually exclusive theory is the Theory of the Continuum. This simply states the Universe has always existed, and always will. It was never created, since it has always existed.

Both of these theories are also not theories of science. They are both religions.

The Bible refers to God as 'from Everlasting to Everlasting', which would be more consistent with the Theory of the Continuum and the Theory of Creation. Most any religion claiming some sort of god or gods face this same logic.
 
How does math exist if there is no material?
Infinity does not exist in physical reality, even though it is a real mathematical entity.

There is no such thing in physical reality as an absolutely perfect circle or perfect right triangle, so A=pi×r^2 or the Pythagorean theorem are idealized immaterial relationships we cannot reproduce in real space.

The value of pi and e, and all irrational numbers are idealized mathematical concepts we can only approximate in reality because they are infinitely repeating decimal expansions

The electroweak and strong forces existed and were unified fractions of a second before quarks, protons, and neutrons existed.
 
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