Are vaccines the new "talisman?"

Whatever happened to My body....My choice ? :thinking: Or does that only go for murdering your own offspring?
 
AssHatZombie said:
Chief among his concerns is the fact that the messenger RNA, or mRNA, vaccines are the first vaccines in history to intervene directly in patients’ genetic material and alter it, posing problems when it comes to health, ethics and morality.


These vaccines involve injecting a sequence of genetic RNA material that was made in a lab into the body, where it invades the cells and takes over their protein-generating ribosomes to produce the coronavirus’s famous spike protein that gives it the crown-like appearance that inspired its name. Then, your body should, at least in theory, be trained to fight the virus if it encounters it later. In short, these vaccines turn your body’s cells into factories that create proteins that spur a pathogen-specific immune response.

mRNA vaccines are being hailed in some quarters for their breakthrough technology, and while they do have some advantages over traditional vaccines, the fact remains that we simply do not know anything about their long-term effects. While we definitely don’t want to downplay how devastating this disease can be to a small percentage of patients, the massive vaccination campaigns that many countries around the world wish to embark upon could be putting a huge percentage of the population at risk of a slew of unknown problems.

Too many unknowns with rushed vaccines
Many experts have acknowledged that there are lots of unknown and unique risks involved in mRNA vaccines, including local and systemic inflammatory responses that may spur autoimmune conditions, cancer or organ damage. Another worry is the potential for mRNA vaccines to be maliciously deployed to trick a person’s body into attacking critical functions like cell repair, fertility and neurological function.

There’s also the fact that mRNA is extremely fragile, so some vaccines, such as the Pfizer vaccine, have to be kept at -70 degrees Celsius or the vaccine could spoil and be rendered ineffective – and those receiving the shots will really have no way of knowing if they were stored properly.

We also don’t know if people will be able to enjoy an immune response that offers enough protection from the disease; if it does, it is not clear how long any immunity would last. Individuals who get vaccinated may engage in risky behaviors because they believe they are immune when they might not actually be, and the results could be devastating.

Moreover, the genetic damage that such vaccines can cause would be irreversible and irreparable. Genetic defects simply cannot be removed from the body.

Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, a German physician and epidemiologist, said: “In fact, this ‘promising vaccine’ for the vast majority of people should be FORBIDDEN, because it is genetic manipulation!”

Vice Chair and General Counsel for Children’s Health Defense Mary Holland warned: “New vaccine technology will likely mean new kinds of vaccine injuries. Because there’s never been a licensed mRNA vaccine before, we really don’t know what injuries are going to look like. In that the vaccines were developed so quickly, with such short clinical trials, the long-term injuries are a complete unknown.”
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MRNA vaccines sound like a really good idea—and they may well be that.

But....always watch out for the but lol. But any time you go to messing with the genetic code there’s potential for trouble. That’s exactly what cancer cells do. If these vaccines were made with standard technology [made from dead or attenuated virus] then taking it would be a relative no-brainer. The body’s immune system responds in a straight forward way; whereas these mRNA vaccines hijack the code to make new proteins.

These ARE a different critter. The lefties are a little too trusting, imo. Maybe naive is a better word.
 
Darth Omar said:
MRNA vaccines sound like a really good idea—and they may well be that.

But....always watch out for the but lol. But any time you go to messing with the genetic code there’s potential for trouble. That’s exactly what cancer cells do. If these vaccines were made with standard technology [made from dead or attenuated virus] then taking it would be a relative no-brainer. The body’s immune system responds in a straight forward way; whereas these mRNA vaccines hijack the code to make new proteins.

These ARE a different critter. The lefties are a little too trusting, imo. Maybe naive is a better word.
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LOL

Now, anyone who wants to get the "extremely risky" vaccination is "naive."

You guys are awesome.
 
BartenderElite said:
That's contradictory.

If you thought Fauci's recommendations hurt the economy - why wouldn't you think it would hurt the economy if everyone gets all "cautious" about a vaccine?
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It’s not contradictory at all.

Fauci pushes the guidelines; governors enact them; the economy tanks on a state by state basis.

And let’s not forget that much of the guidelines were enacted in March and April in states that didn’t have the case numbers the northeast had. I’m living proof of that madness. I was furloughed for literally no reason. Or I should say myself and millions other healthcare workers in states where COVID was just not active at the time. I was lucky enough to be retirement age so I just jumped ship.

Many workers in various lines of work weren’t so lucky. They lost their homes, their livelihoods, their businesses in many instances for basically NOTHING. It’s a travesty and I’m glad to say I at least advocated against it.
 
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Bartender Elite: you really should stop talking to Jim and Jack!



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Darth Omar said:
It’s not contradictory at all.

Fauci pushes the guidelines; governors enact them; the economy tanks on a state by state basis.

And let’s not forget that much of the guidelines were enacted in March and April in states that didn’t have the case numbers the northeast had. I’m living proof of that madness. I was furloughed for literally no reason. Or I should say myself and millions other healthcare workers in states where COVID was just not active at the time. I was lucky enough to be retirement age so I just jumped ship.

Many workers in various lines of work weren’t so lucky. They lost their homes, their livelihoods, their businesses in many instances for basically NOTHING. It’s a travesty and I’m glad to say I at least advocated against it.
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What do you think it will do to the economy and many jobs if not enough people get vaccinated for America to achieve herd immunity?
 
BartenderElite said:
What do you think it will do to the economy and many jobs if not enough people get vaccinated for America to achieve herd immunity?
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The guidelines, yes, including mask mandates, don’t seem to have much effect as it is. Do they? We can open and nothing much would change. We could have *been open* for months and nothing much would be different.

Except not as much wealth would have been transferred from the middle class to the rich. More and more I’m inclined to think that—and what’s going on in Wall Street only adds to it.
 
Darth Omar said:
The guidelines, yes, including mask mandates, don’t seem to have much effect as it is. Do they? We can open and nothing much would change. We could have *been open* for months and nothing much would be different.

Except not as much wealth would have been transferred from the middle class to the rich. More and more I’m inclined to think that—and what’s going on in Wall Street only adds to it.
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Just curious: do you think the above answered the question I asked?
 
BartenderElite said:
Just curious: do you think the above answered the question I asked?
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70% is the number they throw around.

I expect once the naturally acquired immune population [individuals infected then recovered] are added in with the vaccinated population we shouldn’t have any trouble reaching 70%.

Regardless if people like me take a more cautious approach.
 
Darth Omar said:
MRNA vaccines sound like a really good idea—and they may well be that.

But....always watch out for the but lol. But any time you go to messing with the genetic code there’s potential for trouble. That’s exactly what cancer cells do. If these vaccines were made with standard technology [made from dead or attenuated virus] then taking it would be a relative no-brainer. The body’s immune system responds in a straight forward way; whereas these mRNA vaccines hijack the code to make new proteins.

These ARE a different critter. The lefties are a little too trusting, imo. Maybe naive is a better word.
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they're treating us like genetic lab rats. go on bitchite or something and see the truth. cases gone wrong and real doctors talking about how all mrna "vaccines" are trash.
 
BartenderElite said:
It seems to be the m.o. of conservatives now. If something can help the pandemic, it's a talisman of oppression, and must be opposed.

I knew we were in trouble a few weeks back when a prominent Fox host called the vaccine rollout "too slick" and said it was something that should give us "doubt."

Getting vaccinated, like masks, has already been completely politicized. And man, is that ever a problem. If we don't get herd immunity on this thing, it might never go away.
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The vaccine that Trump claims he did all by himself?
 
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