i do not, have you read my 'signature'
and what is wrong with someone being required to learn proper use of firearms and deadly force before going out in public to 'combat' crime
or do you not believe in following laws in your community
are vigilantes the answer to rural law enforcement budget problems
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i do not, have you read my 'signature'
and what is wrong with someone being required to learn proper use of firearms and deadly force before going out in public to 'combat' crime
or do you not believe in following laws in your community
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1. i have sigs on ignore, so no, i have not seen your sig
2. you are essentially bypassing the constitution by making it a requirement that anyone who 'bears arms' have training. that is why i believe you do not like the constitution.
3. 'combat' crime - the guardian angels do the same thing, but your beef is that they allegedly don't bear arms. that is truly sad on your part don.
4. in my community, as yours (we are practically neighbors don) there is no requirement that those who bear arms receive training. so, if anyone in my community were to do what these guys in oregon are doing...they would not be violating any laws.
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Was it a good idea in Arizona?
Reporting from Tucson — 9-year-old Brisenia Flores begged the border vigilantes who had just broken into her house, "Please don't shoot me."
But they did — in the face at point-blank range, prosecutors allege, as Brisenia's father sat dead on the couch and her mother lay on the floor, pretending that she too had been killed in the gunfire.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/25/nation/la-na-minutemen-murder-20110126
from the first line of the linked article
The Guardian Angels is a non-profit international volunteer organization of unarmed citizen crime patrollers. The Guardian Angels organization was founded February 13, 1979 in New York City by Curtis Sliwa and has chapters in 15 countries and 144 cities around the world.[SUP][1][/SUP]
Bawhahahaha, in the first line!!!!!
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Like their hero Zimmerman, they want to shoot and kill non-whites and get away with it.
since we are practically neighbors, just how familiar are you with ca laws concerning carrying firearms and when deadly force is considered acceptable
as for requiring training in the use of firearms, no it is not required, but it is certainly a good idea (i received my first firearm training at age 6 from an nra certified instructor starting with a single shot 22 and working up to large bore hand guns and rifles)
ps i taught firearms usage at my rotc class and rated second best shot in the greater los angels area (los angels and orange counties)
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fair enough on they "should". that is your opinion.
as to citizens watch....cite where the group in the OP makes arrests don.
i think you are weak in the knees because these are white men with guns.
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damo and grind....do you really like the fact that \\\legion/// fucks up so many threads?
SmarterthanYou
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do you know how little the firearms training given to cops is? or the rules of deadly force? I can tell you that I vist the range more times in a month than most cops do in a year.
would you consider yourself the same as the average citizen, or one that owns firearm(s)
perhaps i live in a community where the police are better trained and equipped than the ones you live in or are aware of
the main problem that the city of santa barbara and the county of santa barbara and the cities therein is a surge in gangs with the attendant problems
the town that i live in's greatest problem is that there is a federal prison next door and gang members that visit inmates therein think that they can do whatever they please, the lompoc police disabuse them of that with massive responses to any hints of trouble
even the motorcycle officers carry m-16s on their bikes
most of the time the local police enforce traffic laws because they have nothing better to do
this does not mean that there is no crime here, but when something happens here, three or four police units show up at the scene and usually the police know who is involved - it is mostly family disputes
this is because our other neighbor is vandenburg air force base and a lot of the base personnel live in town
also, our town is rather isolated as the nearest city/town is one half hour away
my son, son-in-law and myself are 'white men' that carry guns (although in my case i am part native american and my son-in-law is part latino, but he is a retired captain from an army tank unit)
as for arrests, this network is still in its infancy, however, from the op link 'She says her group has tracked down stolen property, including several cars, and even helped deputies arrest a man on drug charges.'
also, In response, members of the CAC Patrol have taken to slapping magnetic gold stars and flashing amber lights on their vehicles to keep watch over the community on their own. Many carry pistols and plastic ties for handcuffs.
and...Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson says he's glad for the help but warns that law enforcement is dangerous work."They need to really understand there are consequences that can be very costly, physically as well as legally," he said, explaining that volunteers could get sued or shot if they pull a gun on someone or make a false arrest.
"Most of them haven't had what I feel is an adequate level of training to do that they do," he said. "But if they serve as eyes and ears and only report what they see to law enforcement, I think they can keep themselves at a safe level."
Policing expert Dennis Kenney, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York City, says neighborhood watch efforts can be positive but turn into problems when volunteers "decide that instead of supplementing law enforcement, they are going to replace law enforcement. Then you cross potentially into vigilantism."
Kenney said vigilantes tend to get "out of control — especially when people are armed."
He added that "people drawn to this sort of thing are the kinds of personalities more likely to take it too far."
Disillusioned
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Your refusal to believe that anybody every commits crimes, your assurance that the police always plant evidence, your claims that should anybody come to your house in a uniform you will shoot them, the statements that the government controls everyone's minds. Oh and your quotes, they help too.
wanderingbear
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I think the idea is the stupidest one in history.
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Didn't do this guy much good, did it?
A 53-year-old man who died Wednesday night after accidentally shooting himself in the head at his residence was a military veteran who was believed to be a master weapons instructor, police said.
David J. Holiday Jr., 53, was pronounced dead after the incident that investigators are describing as a tragic accident.
While Holiday was showing the pistols to his friends, witnesses told police that he stated he always keeps the firearms in his house unloaded.
According to Place, a witness said at one point Holiday picked up one of the pistols and raised it just above his head.
At that point the gun, which Holiday believed to be unloaded, discharged and he suffered a gunshot wound to the head.
Morgan County emergency medical services personnel arrived at the scene within 10 minutes of receiving the 911 call and worked extensively for 20 to 25 minutes to try to resuscitate Holiday.
http://www.journal-news.net/page/co...ental-shot-was-military-veteran.html?nav=5006
SmarterthanYou
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how much 'trouble' do you think these gang members would initiate if they thought that they'd end up facing 3 or 4 armed parents at any given notice? parents that would be considered first responders in seconds, rather than the minutes it takes the lompoc police?
SmarterthanYou
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so your notion of me being a 'fringe gun nut' is based on your delusional comprehension of everything i've ever posted. understood.