Arizona and the midterms

Timshel

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As a person who despises both parties and most of what they stand for I was hoping Republicans would gain seats in the midterms. I may have even been swayed to vote for them. The reason being is that I believe a divided government is preferable. With Obama in the White House and reasonable expectation that he will be reelected, I would rather Republicans have more power in Congress. As a libertarian, I believe a Democratic President and Republican congress is the closest we get to ideal in who holds power and in what areas.

But Arizona makes giving Republican yahoos any more power scary. At the same time Democrats appear poised to take a stand almost as frightening.

Both sides are using legitimate concerns over immigration as a means to lead to a sinister end. The right uses it to press it's xenophobia/racism while the left uses it as means to centralize more power in the federal government. But there is more.

We don't need any of this shit. What we need is IMO two part.

1. Make it easier to be in compliance with immigration law. We need to relax the quotas on occupation, as well. If the immigrant is here and peaceable it should be fairly easy to extend his stay. But I would prefer the pressure them to gain citizenship and ease that process, as well.

Making it hard to comply with immigration laws only makes it more difficult to separate those who intend to subvert our laws and those who may have had trouble meeting the financial burdens that come with compliance.

2. Enforce the laws we have. This may require more money. I don't have a problem with greater border patrol, more money to go round up those with deportation orders, including the use of local police (properly trained), in those actions. But we need to separate the criminals and those that intentionally evade the law from the immigrant who wishes only to earn an honest wage and may have through honest error failed to comply with the law. Further criminalizing unlawful presence is counter productive.

The immigration issue is primarily a ruse for control of labor to the benefit of capital interests. If capital can move across borders but labor can not then capital has a distinct advantage. Labor is confined so that a cheap labor pool can be concentrated and exploited. Meanwhile, some labor is allowed to move in so long as the immigrant can be exploited as a second class citizen by domestic capital interests.

Immigration is the new slavery.

Workers of the world unite! But the funny thing is big labor, i.e., the unions support this exploitation of labor. Which is why the Democrats will be on board to restrict the rights of the individual. It does not benefit the union to have a highly mobile worker. The highly mobile worker has no need for a union. He just goes where he can get the best compensation.

As travel costs decline the threat to capital and their union symbiont has increased and their ability to exploit cheap labor has declined.
 
Many on the left and right are being manipulated on this as the useful idiots they are.

But, I think this will blow up in the face of Republicans. Republicans are just giving voters an issue other than hatred of Obama and Democrats. That's the winning issue. Why? Because many of us hate them just as much as we hate you. It's an easy sale. But now you excite other passions with this and inspire resentment against Republicans. It's a stupid move.
 
Many on the left and right are being manipulated on this as the useful idiots they are.

But, I think this will blow up in the face of Republicans. Republicans are just giving voters an issue other than hatred of Obama and Democrats. That's the winning issue. Why? Because many of us hate them just as much as we hate you. It's an easy sale. But now you excite other passions with this and inspire resentment against Republicans. It's a stupid move.

It's one thing when the minority party has issues to run on. That's how Clinton got elected in 92. Republicans spent the next 8 years learning that anger alone doesn't translate into votes in November.

After Dubya got elected, I watched Dems trying the very same thing, getting their supporters angry at the GOP and hoping that anger would translate into vote. Well, it didn't.

Now it seems the Right is ready to try the old "get em riled up" tactic, and I doubt it will be any more effective this time than it was in 92 or 96.
 
Republicans in Congress actually ran on the Contract With America in '94 and had success with it. However your point is taken, especially on the Presidential level.
 
The highly mobile worker has no need for a union. He just goes where he can get the best compensation.

Employers should compete for workers, workers shouldn't compete for employers. We need to reverse this biased system which gives owners all the power and the world and professionals shit.
 
The Arizona law is going to translate into increased Hispanic distrust of Republicans, which will essentially eliminate any hope they had of taking back the house.
 
Rstring---I totally agree with the disqust of both parties. To me, they are both progressive. I don't see any better chance revitializing the Rep party to Conservative vbalues, any easier than revilatizing the Dem party to Conservative values.

I want to see on e party disolve---or they can merge--but we need room for a real Conservative party---that is not infiltrated with progressives.

Then---we will see choices like we have never seen in our lives--and the USA will once again become "The land of opportunity".

I don't think I have a lot of faith in our voting population to have the intuition to tell which new candidate is progressive, and which is Conservative in the Republican party.

We need a progressive deportation bill if we don't want to be ruled within the next 50 years.

Regans revitilazation of the Rep party was a hoax---they Wrote the first bad trade agreement that started redistributing our wealth making capabilities--with Clinton and the Dems all too willing to sign.

Today---it is Americans vrs progressives.
 
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The Arizona law is going to translate into increased Hispanic distrust of Republicans, which will essentially eliminate any hope they had of taking back the house.

Want to see porsperity for Mexicans and anybody else (I do--just like every body else).

Lets make a law that you can't vote--unless you pay taxes. They tend to be more responsible voters that don't fall for agendas so wealth can be spread with opportunity--not hand outs.
 
Exactly, we need to offer 50k to every conservative who will agree to get their asses out of America.

Let me breifly explain the history of American politics to you.

Now--I don't want to piss off all my Conserative friends----but we are all Liberal!

Thats right---we started out as being considered liberal. We ran away from the "thrown and alter" RULING type of Conservativism that you think your knowing enough to deamonize---but that strain of Conservativism never made it to the USA.

We were considered liberal---because we wanted to be more free.

The world called it a joke--"A government for the people, by the people---it can not work!"---but about 100 years later--after America citizen income was well above the rest of the worlds---people that taught you perverted history moved into to the USA---to change the American mind. That is when the American liberal became the American Conservative. A far cry from the "thrown and alter" type of Conservativism that you have been conditioned to deamonize.

They did a good job on you (changing your mind). You are now a man---without a nation. But we need you--so snap out of it!

REPEAT AFTER ME---TEAM AMERICA---LOUDER!!!!!!
 
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Exactly, we need to offer 50k to every conservative who will agree to get their asses out of America.

By the way---you give me 50K and opportunity---and I will fly with it in a free society that uses capataliam to actually build wealth for any citizenry, while your spociety goes broke with entitlements---like the rest of the world--and now us. I am glad I grew up in a era of achievement and opportunity where I could do it without taking your money. People can still do it today--a bussboy can pay for a few classes a semister--with a roomate--just like I did. They can leanr at their new jobs--just like I did--and they can kick off a business--but heavily taxed because of entitlements--just like I am suffering through now (and will more shortly).



If I can do it---anybody can.--but I think your entitlement philosophy needs to thank me now! I am one of the 40%ers (people who pay taxes) in the USA--and when it is gone---your entitlements and lack of opportunity will result in poverty for most----accept the kings and queens and their corporate friends--like GE.

I do know a dentist in Croatia that makes less then $12,000/year in US currancy. That is what your asking for---without the American Conservative. A way of life on welfare--or a child hood allowance if your lucky enough to be employed in the lands of limited opportunity.
 
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It's one thing when the minority party has issues to run on. That's how Clinton got elected in 92. Republicans spent the next 8 years learning that anger alone doesn't translate into votes in November.

After Dubya got elected, I watched Dems trying the very same thing, getting their supporters angry at the GOP and hoping that anger would translate into vote. Well, it didn't.

Now it seems the Right is ready to try the old "get em riled up" tactic, and I doubt it will be any more effective this time than it was in 92 or 96.

obama's main platform was:

not bush....mccain is bush

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Want to see porsperity for Mexicans and anybody else (I do--just like every body else).

Lets make a law that you can't vote--unless you pay taxes. They tend to be more responsible voters that don't fall for agendas so wealth can be spread with opportunity--not hand outs.

Let's make a law so that people idiotic enough to suggest that those who don't make enough money to pay federal income tax shouldn't be allowed to vote aren't allowed to vote.
 
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