Arizona "Papers Please" Law Applies to Everyone

Howey said:
You do know why that one part of the law was upheld, right? Or are you just feeding the ignorant? Once it's tested, it too will be deemed unconstitutional.



The Feds "decided" to sue because of his extensive history of racial profiling, racial prejudice and his propensity to ignore federal law.
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Asking for an ID, upon a traffic stop, is not unconstitutional; it doesn't matter what shade your skin color may be.

Nice accusations; so what was the punishment from him being found guilty?
 
Damocles said:
According to the story you posted they "decided" to sue because he would not do what they wanted him to do. Once again, accusation is not evidence. And you are either pretending to be incapable of reading comprehension or you haven't bothered to read what I posted. When I said, "this part of the law" I meant "this part of the law"...

Unlike your original false claim that the entire law was not upheld.
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You'll have to excuse Howard; because not only is he myopic, his reasoning ability is also impaired.
 
Damocles said:
According to the story you posted they "decided" to sue because he would not do what they wanted him to do. Once again, accusation is not evidence. And you are either pretending to be incapable of reading comprehension or you haven't bothered to read what I posted. When I said, "this part of the law" I meant "this part of the law"...

Unlike your original false claim that the entire law was not upheld.
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Really?

The Defendants' violations of the Constitution and laws of the United States are the product of a culture of disregard in MCSO for Latinos that starts at the top and pervades the organization. MCSO jail employees frequently refer to Latinos as "wetbacks," "Mexican bitches," and "stupid Mexicans." MCSO supervisors involved in immigration enforcement have expressed anti-Latino bias, in one instance widely distributing an email that included a photograph of a Chihuahua dog dressed in swimming gear with the caption "A Rare Photo of a Mexican Navy Seal." MCSO and Arpaio's words and actions set the tone and create a culture of bias that contributes to unlawful actions.
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83. MCSO has focused its most intensive law enforcement efforts on low-level immigration offenses over more serious crime from approximately 2006 to the present. MCSO's prioritization of immigration enforcement has resulted in a failure to meet its other law enforcement responsibilities, and provides further evidence of the Defendants' intent to discriminate against Latinos.
84. Statistical reports show an increase in violent crime in Maricopa County, and of homicides in particular, during the period of enhanced immigration enforcement.

85. MCSO has failed, for example, to adequately respond to reports of sexual violence, including allegations of rape, sexual assault, and sexual abuse of girls, thus exposing women and girls, who constitute the majority of victims of crimes of sexual violence in Maricopa County, to a disproportionate risk of physical and psychological harm.

86. Faced with such an increase in crime and the risk of harm presented by unaddressed sexual assaults, a law enforcement agency ordinarily would be expected to prioritize more serious offenses, such as crimes of sexual violence, over less serious offenses, such as low-level immigration offenses.
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The police are supposed to protect and serve our communities, not divide them. At its core, this is an abuse of power case involving a sheriff and sheriff's office that disregarded the Constitution, ignored sound police practices, comprised public safety, and did not hesitate to retaliate against perceived critics. Constitutional policing and effective policing go hand-in-hand. Our complaint alleges that the defendants' actions were neither constitutional nor effective.
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For example, an MCSO officer stopped a Latina woman - a citizen of the United States and five months pregnant at the time - as she pulled into her driveway. After she exited her car, the officer then insisted that she sit on the hood of the car. When she refused, the officer grabbed her arms, pulled them behind her back, and slammed her, stomach first, into the vehicle three times. He then dragged her to the patrol car and shoved her into the backseat. He left her in the patrol car for approximately 30 minutes without air conditioning. The MCSO officer ultimately issued a citation for failure to provide identification. This citation was later changed to failure to provide proof of insurance. The citation was resolved when the woman provided her proof of insurance to the local courts.
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For example, during a raid of a house suspected of containing human smugglers and their victims, HSU officers went to an adjacent house, which was occupied by a Latino family. The officers entered the adjacent house and searched it, without a warrant and without the residents' knowing consent. Although they found no evidence of criminal activity, after the search was over, the officers zip-tied the residents, a Latino man, a legal permanent resident of the United States, and his 12-year-old Latino son, a citizen of the United States, and required them to sit on the sidewalk for more than one hour, along with approximately 10 persons who had been seized from the target house, before being released.
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These are but a few of the charges in the complaint (pdf)

Here's the accompanying letter:

http://www.justice.gov/crt/opa/pr/speeches/2012/crt-speech-120510.html

Oh. Don't even bother with the insults. Homey don't address them.
 
Yurt said:
it is actually not an expansion of government. i've cited older case law that states quite clearly the states can enforce federal law concerning immigration.
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heard something about that...not sure if the new SCOTUS ruling overrides it or not. dunno.

I do know our immigration policy is a disaster, we need illegals for mundane back breaking jobs, yet we don't want them here.

So do something Congress...an oxymoron (Congressional "action") but C'Mon there has got to be a solution. Just no political will to do so.
 
Damocles said:
Yeah, really, an argumentum ad nauseum doesn't make it any less the reality that accusation does not mean evidence. Did you bother reading your original article?
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Just think back to the Zimmerman comments.
To a Loony Liberal Moonbat, an accusation is as good as a conviction; if they are the ones doing the accusing.
 
This is TOO funny... at first, the law was RACIST because it only targeted Mexicans... now that the SCOTUS has upheld the bulk of the law, they are screaming it's not RACIST enough, it applies to EVERYONE! OMG!

Hey Kenny, don't most laws apply to everyone?
 
Howey said:
Yes, I did. And those accusations were backed by evidence.
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And at some point we'll have a ruling, based on the validity of that evidence. If it doesn't go your way are you going to insist that they hate "brown people" in Arizona? (A ridiculous charge really, if any state understands that being brown isn't a crime it is Arizona which is hugely populated by brown people).

Why do you care about the "brown people" now, but don't when it concerns actually giving weapons to the worst criminals who will use them to kill those same brown people?
 
It doesn't matter if it applies to 'everyone'. It will only be a matter of time to see that the way it's being used targets Mexicans.
 
Bijou said:
It doesn't matter if it applies to 'everyone'. It will only be a matter of time to see that the way it's being used targets Mexicans.
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You and the rest of the moonbats are the only ones referring to this "being used to target Mexicans".
Shouldn't "Mexicans" be living in "Mexico", unless they're here on some kind of passport, visa, etc.?
 
It will only be a matter of time to see that the way it's being used targets Mexicans.
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Well excuse me, but aren't most illegal immigrants crossing the border from Mexico, in fact, Mexican? I would think so!

It's kind of difficult to battle illegal immigration and not target Mexican people. Can you explain how that is done?
 
Dixie said:
Well excuse me, but aren't most illegal immigrants crossing the border from Mexico, in fact, Mexican? I would think so!

It's kind of difficult to battle illegal immigration and not target Mexican people. Can you explain how that is done?
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Not to you, obviously.
 
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