Atheist conclusions about the historicity of the resurrection

Not that hard even when both Perry and Fredo constantly change their usernames....behavior that is weird all by itself.
It all comes to to understanding the motivation of the poster. While some just show up on threads to derail it or indulge their petty grievances, you can tell when others have a genuine comments or insights, or just want to make a harmless off topic observation.

It seems like mental inpatient facilities must allow some kind of limited internet access to patients, no?
 
Atheist New Testament scholar Gerd Lüdemann evaluated every reference to Jesus' resurrection in the New Testament, as well as apocryphal literature. Through this approach, he offers a reconstruction of the probable course of events as well as the circumstances surrounding Jesus' death on the cross, the burial of his body, his reported resurrection on the third day, and subsequent appearances to various disciples.

The Christian faith Luedemann concludes ultimately stems from hallucinations of Peter and the other disciples, both men and women.

From a modern perspective this leads to the inescapable conclusion that the primary witnesses to Jesus' resurrection were victims of self-deception.

In conclusion, he asks whether in light of the nonhistoricity of Jesus' resurrection, thinking people today can legitimately and in good conscience still call themselves Christians.



https://www.amazon.com/Resurrection-Christ-Historical-Inquiry/dp/1591022452
https://www.fortresspress.com/store/product/9780800627928/The-Resurrection-of-Jesus

Will you post "Nazi Conclusions about the Humanity of Jews" next?

A fine morning for blind bigotry...
 
It all comes to to understanding the motivation of the poster. While some just show up on threads to derail it or indulge their petty grievances, you can tell when others have a genuine comments or insights, or just want to make a harmless off topic observation.

It seems like mental inpatient facilities must allow some kind of limited internet access to patients, no?
Agreed on understanding the motivation of the poster. It's not difficult to identify which posters are very unhappy with their lives and seek to spread their unhappiness to others. It also indicates a high level of jealousy by those who attack those better educated, more successful and happier than themselves.

Not sure about mental facilities, but no doubt they'd allow some access to keep their patients busy. I know retirement facilities offer Internet access for that reason and suspect that family-member caretakers would do the same to keep their mentally-challenged or demented relative busy in their room. One area that interests me is the commonality of racism, antisemitism and misogyny among this same group of people.
 
Agreed on understanding the motivation of the poster. It's not difficult to identify which posters are very unhappy with their lives and seek to spread their unhappiness to others. It also indicates a high level of jealousy by those who attack those better educated, more successful and happier than themselves.
Resentment and imaginary grievances are definitely are huge motivators for thread derailers
Not sure about mental facilities, but no doubt they'd allow some access to keep their patients busy. I know retirement facilities offer Internet access for that reason and suspect that family-member caretakers would do the same to keep their mentally-challenged or demented relative busy in their room. One area that interests me is the commonality of racism, antisemitism and misogyny among this same group of people.
I always figured the anonymity of the keyboard allowed these people to indulge their bigotry in a way they feel unable to around co-workers and neighbors.
 
Resentment and imaginary grievances are definitely are huge motivators for thread derailers

I always figured the anonymity of the keyboard allowed these people to indulge their bigotry in a way they feel unable to around co-workers and neighbors.
They do, indeed, whine a lot.

Agreed on this theory since it fits with the maxim "A drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts". Be it uninhibited from social repercussions, such an anonymous forum, or inhibition-reducing chemicals like alcohol, seeing what people really think, especially over time, is a key area of interest to me. Everyone has bad days and may say something they regret, but over time, be it hundreds of posts or several weekend benders, their true self is revealed.
 
Will you post "Nazi Conclusions about the Humanity of Jews" next?

A fine morning for blind bigotry...
No doubt it will be human reproduction medical pseudoscience has Christian Nation SCOTUS Fourth Reich July thieving US Navy US Constitution Bill of Rights arsonists baptize thine eyes by urinations US Navy doctors KKKillers of McHeil’s Navy are “one nation under God with no equal justice under law” suicidal super egos granted….. sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human farming.
 
So you think all the American university scholars who study Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism without actually being members of those religions have nothing to offer and should leave their jobs? That's the logical conclusion of your claim that only Christians can legitimately study the New Testament.
that is not what I said. Being agnostic, or even a believer in any of those religions at least is some sort of qualifier to studying the religion. Where it stops is being an atheist, in other words, not believing in a religion of any sort and purporting to explain said religion that makes you a false scholar
 
that is not what I said. Being agnostic, or even a believer in any of those religions at least is some sort of qualifier to studying the religion. Where it stops is being an atheist, in other words, not believing in a religion of any sort and purporting to explain said religion that makes you a false scholar
I agree to an extent. An agnostic is supposedly unconvinced one way or the other. That is a good basis for critical scholarship.

I always kinda wondered why atheists were investing time researching the Bible at the university level.

There is this widely known atheist influencer named Alex O'Connor who actually went to the trouble to get a theology degree. And I don't think it was because he wanted to expand his spiritual horizons. I think he wanted the acquire the knowledge to be able to argue with religious people.

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that is not what I said. Being agnostic, or even a believer in any of those religions at least is some sort of qualifier to studying the religion. Where it stops is being an atheist, in other words, not believing in a religion of any sort and purporting to explain said religion that makes you a false scholar
Sooooo.....I can't study Jihadist terrorists without being a Jihadist or a terrorist? Disagreed.

FWIW, @Cypress has always indicated he leans toward agnosticism as do I. Meaning there's no known way of proving or disproving existence beyond the Natural Universe much less supernatural entities. It's a matter of faith be it faith in the spiritual or atheism. <--let the atheists scream about that one. LOL
 
I agree to an extent. An agnostic is supposedly unconvinced one way or the other. That is a good basis for critical scholarship.

I always kinda wondered why atheists were investing time researching the Bible at the university level.

There is this widely known atheist influencer named Alex O'Connor who actually went to the trouble to get a theology degree. And I don't think it was because he wanted to expand his spiritual horizons. I think he wanted the acquire the knowledge to be able to argue with religious people.
A favorite story about this subject is with W.C. Fields, a notorious atheist. One day someone saw him in his retirement facility room reading the Bible. Knowing his history, the person asked "What are you doing?" "Looking for loopholes," was his dry reply.

I suspect atheists researching the Bible are looking for evidence to disprove it....which there is a lot that stretches credulity, but not disproving existence beyond the mortal.
 
A favorite story about this subject is with W.C. Fields, a notorious atheist. One day someone saw him in his retirement facility room reading the Bible. Knowing his history, the person asked "What are you doing?" "Looking for loopholes," was his dry reply.

I suspect atheists researching the Bible are looking for evidence to disprove it....which there is a lot that stretches credulity, but not disproving existence beyond the mortal.

lol at "looking for loopholes"

That seems to be exactly what Alex O'connor is doing with his theology degree :laugh:

You're right. When people are pursuing an agenda, they aren't on a quest for the truth.
 
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