Dutch Uncle
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^^^
Doesn't understand how his hate damns himself.
His only hope is that God forgives the mentally ill and retarded.
Atheist conclusions about the historicity of the resurrection
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Doesn't understand how his hate damns himself.
His only hope is that God forgives the mentally ill and retarded.
Bai Lan
Let It Rot
wrong.
people who take bloody oaths (masons), which christ was against btw, explicitly make a pact to die for what may or may not be lies.
Matthew 5:33-37
Jesus Forbids Oaths
33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of [<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 5:33-37&version=NKJV#fen-NKJV-23268a" title="See footnote a">a</a>]old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.’ 34 But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 But let [<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 5:33-37&version=NKJV#fen-NKJV-23272b" title="See footnote b">b</a>]your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.Read full chapter
^^^Doesn't understand how his ignorance and stupidity make him look like a clown.
So true. FIFY.
It's remarkably ignorant and stupid.
I think the Council of Nicea was about establishing Trinitarian doctrine, not picking and choosing the NT canon?I suspect Paul's writings have been cleaned up a bit over the ages. The First Council of Nicaea cherry-picked what books they liked to support Constantine's desire to push desired Christian beliefs. Specifically ones that affirmed the divinity of Jesus against the "heretic" Arians.
First Council of Nicaea, (325), the first ecumenical council of the Christian church, meeting in ancient Nicaea (now İznik, Turkey). It was called by the emperor Constantine I, an unbaptized catechumen, who presided over the opening session and took part in the discussions. He hoped a general council of the church would solve the problem created in the Eastern church by Arianism, a heresy first proposed by Arius of Alexandria that affirmed that Christ is not divine but a created being. Pope Sylvester I did not attend the council but was represented by legates.
First Council of Nicaea | Description, History, Significance, & Facts | Britannica
First Council of Nicaea, the first ecumenical council of the Christian church, which took place in 325 in the ancient city of Nicaea (now Iznik, Turkey). The council condemned Arius and the Arian heresy that Christ is a created being and revised the creed to clarify the equality of God the...www.britannica.com
The council condemned Arius and, with reluctance on the part of some, incorporated the nonscriptural word homoousios (“of one substance”) into a creed to signify the absolute equality of the Son with the Father. The emperor then exiled Arius, an act that, while manifesting a solidarity of church and state, underscored the importance of secular patronage in ecclesiastical affairs.
The council attempted but failed to establish a uniform date for Easter. It issued decrees on many other matters, including the proper method of consecrating bishops, a condemnation of lending money at interest by clerics, and a refusal to allow bishops, priests, and deacons to move from one church to another. It also confirmed the primacy of Alexandria and Jerusalem over other sees in their respective areas. Socrates Scholasticus, a 5th-century Byzantine historian, said that the council intended to make a canon enforcing celibacy of the clergy, but it failed to do so when some objected.
I used to think there was massive editing, corruption, and modification of scripture.
But the Dead Sea Scrolls and the early manuscript evidence discovered in the 20th century generally point to the fact that these ancient religious people really genuinely tried to preserve what was originally written, for the most part. There is generally enough manuscript evidence now that scholars can tell what, if anything, was changed.
The fact that so much apocryphal literature was excluded from the canon shows that the various ecumenical councils genuinely went to the effort to identify forgeries, fakes, and later legendary accounts. But supposedly, three of Paul's epistles did sneak into the canon because modern scholars typically think those three were not actually written or dictated by him.
No, the Sadducces did not believe in a life after death, and the type of resurrection the Pharrises believed in was not consistent with Jesus' resurrection, which is what you attempted to imply.
Bai Lan
Let It Rot
yo. fuck the saduccess.
Satanists want people fighting over the NIcene Creed instead of discussing actual morality.
Bai Lan
Let It Rot
Are you arguing with rambam?
the saduccees have been defunct for awhile dumbass and do not represent modern Jewelry in any facet.
Bai Lan
Let It Rot
The Thirteen Principles of Jewish Faith - Chabad.org
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The great codifier of Torah law and Jewish philosophy, Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon ("Maimonides" also known as "The Rambam "), compiled what he refers to as the Shloshah Asar Ikkarim, the "Thirteen Fundamental Principles" of the Jewish faith, as derived from the Torah. Maimonides refers to these thirteen principles of faith as "the fundamental truths of our religion and its very foundations."- myjewishlearning.com
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Dutch Uncle
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A clown to you and your fellow haters or to God, son?^^^Doesn't understand how his ignorance and stupidity make him look like a clown.
This thread was about Jesus and the resurrection, so the only thing that counts here is Jewish belief in the first century AD.
Dutch Uncle
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You're more scholarly than I am on this subject, but my understanding is that there were a lot various beliefs popping up about Jesus over the few hundred years following his crucifixion. Constantine and the councils of Nicaea solidified those different beliefs and doctrines down to one....even if it meant executing "heretics" AKA people who disagreed.
You are right, a lot of beliefs. But I don't think there were conflicts over whether the four Gospels had been corrupted.
The Gnositc literature certaintly is quite different from the gospels. But the gnostic literature seems to be written in the second century, by people who didn't know the eyewitnesses. So on that basis I don't think they were ever given as much credence as the Synoptic gospels and John.
I rarely know what the fuck you're blabbering about
IBDaMann
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... because you never received a proper education. You deserve a handicap placard.
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A documentary called Zeitgeist concludes that the idea of ressurection is actually tied to paganism. Quoting from it:
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There is another very interesting phenomenon
that occurs around December 25th, or the winter solstice.
From the summer solstice to the winter solstice, the days become shorter and colder.
From the perspective of the northern hemisphere,
the sun appears to move south and get smaller and more scarce.
The shortening of the days and the expiration
of the crops when approaching the winter solstice symbolized the process of death to the ancients.
It was the death of the Sun.
By December 22nd, the Sun's demise was fully realized,
for the Sun, having moved south continually for 6 months,
makes it to it's lowest point in the sky.
Here a curious thing occurs: the Sun stops moving south, at least perceivably, for 3 days.
During this 3 day pause, the Sun resides
in the vicinity of the Southern Cross, or Crux, constellation.
And after this time on December 25th, the Sun
moves 1 degree, this time north, foreshadowing longer days, warmth, and Spring.
And thus it was said: the Sun died on the cross,
was dead for 3 days, only to be resurrected or born again.
This is why Jesus and numerous other Sun Gods
share the crucifixion, 3-day death, and resurrection concept.
It is the Sun's transition period before it shifts
its direction back into the Northern Hemisphere, bringing Spring, and thus salvation.
However, they did not celebrate the resurrection of the Sun until the spring equinox, or Easter.
This is because at the spring equinox,
the Sun officially overpowers the evil darkness, as daytime thereafter becomes longer in duration
than night, and the revitalizing conditions of spring emerge.
[snip]
Coming back to the cross of the Zodiac,
the figurative life of the Sun,
this was not just an artistic expression or tool to track the Sun's movements.
It was also a Pagan spiritual symbol, the shorthand of which looked like this.
This is not a symbol of Christianity.
It is a Pagan adaptation of the cross of the Zodiac.
This is why Jesus in early occult art is always shown with his head on the cross,
for Jesus is the Sun, the Sun of God, the Light of the World, the Risen Savior,
who will "come again," as it does every morning,
the Glory of God who defends against the works of darkness, as he is "born again" every morning,
and can be seen "coming in the clouds,"
"up in Heaven," with his "Crown of Thorns," or, sun rays.
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Text source:
Zeitgeist: The Movie (2007) Movie Script | SS
Zeitgeist: The Movie (2007) Movie Script | SS
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The above text starts at around 12:20 in the following cut of Zeitgeist, some nice graphics are included: