Atheists: a 5 year old is on her deathbed....
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USFREEDOM911
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You would have to have a heart to be a bleeding one and you have shown that you lack possession of one.
I'll pray for your soul and you can't stop me.
USFREEDOM911
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You complained in the past, about "children dying in the streets, like you give a fuck; because you've shown your true nature and you can't hide from it now.
USFREEDOM911
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USFREEDOM911
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Lying
Obsessive
Stalker
LOSER
You're showing how desperate you really are and that you're just driven by your angst.
More's the pity.
The "Christian god"...more properly the expropriated Jewish god...MAY exist...and the people describing it may have screwed up.
Maybe the god cannot do the impossible...maybe the god has a different definition of "benevolent" than you do...maybe a whole lot of things that you are arbitrarily disregarding.
(I am in a rush because of things happening around the house today...and cannot give this the attention it deserves. But I have discussed these things for four decades...and will gladly do so in greater depth starting Monday afternoon...or Tuesday after golf.)
The god...or some god...MAY EXIST.
Also...no gods MAY EXIST.
None of us knows for sure.
If you had a leaking hot tub problem like I am working around to do this posting...you might be less relaxed than normal...which is what I am.
I sincerely apologize. Probably should not have gotten into this at all today, but...
Epicurus is full of shit...just as Aquinas was. But more about that when the water is not doing what it is doing.
Gotcha68
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If she is asking about heaven then odds are her parents are raising her to believe in such things. She already has her answer even if it's a 5 year old's understanding based on what her parents have told her. She wants confirmation that the scary thing happening to her at least has a "happy ending". While I have made it a life long point not to lie to my children, it would be damn near impossible and unkind to use that specific opportunity to attempt to undo what her own parents have done and "set her straight" according to my understanding of life and the hereafter as an atheist.
My best answer would be that having never faced such a scenario, I really can't say for sure what I would say absolutely but I can't imagine there is anyone on this planet who would use that opportunity to make that scared dying child feel even worse by telling her there is no heaven, you will be gone and that's it.
My best answer would be that having never faced such a scenario, I really can't say for sure what I would say absolutely but I can't imagine there is anyone on this planet who would use that opportunity to make that scared dying child feel even worse by telling her there is no heaven, you will be gone and that's it.
USFREEDOM911
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evince
Truthmatters
Evidently Desh and several other JPP liberals would.
go get the post of mine you claim exists lying sociopath
Gotcha68
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Evidently Desh and several other JPP liberals would.
Not only do I not believe in death bed conversions, I also don't believe you should use that tragic moment to emotionally destroy someone.
evince
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evince
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USFREEDOM911
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Blow your false indignation out your ass, you uncaring racist.
The evidence is there for all to see how you would act towards a dying child, and you can't remove the shit stain that you've covered yourself in.
And anyone who tries to defend you, from this point on, is as uncaring and uncompassionate as you are.
Now eat shit and choke to death.
Gotcha68
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My comment was from my own experience, nothing to do with his.
USFREEDOM911
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Fentoine Lum
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All the little people screeching at each other is exactly what the corporate state is after and they achieve it with little effort thanks in large part to the likes of you.
Let's all remember that "your" party's solution was a Republican plan hatched at the Heritage Foundation that they then allowed the "health" insurance and pharma industries to tweak in their own behalf against what is good for the population. Let's remember that "your" party is as against single payer as the "other" party.
Let's remember that "health"care in america is a privilege for the wealthy. Let's remember that having your "health"care from/through your employer is sharcropping in a manner of application.
Let us recall that ours is THE most expensive and inefficient system amongst "advanced" post industrial societies and how our system stacks up to those [shudder] "socialist" systems.
New York, N.Y., October 8, 2015 — The U.S. spent more per person on health care than 12 other high-income nations in 2013, while seeing the lowest life expectancy and some of the worst health outcomes among this group, according to a Commonwealth Fund report out today. The analysis shows that in the U.S., which spent an average of $9,086 per person annually, life expectancy was 78.8 years. Switzerland, the second-highest-spending country, spent $6,325 per person and had a life expectancy of 82.9 years. Mortality rates for cancer were among the lowest in the U.S., but rates of chronic conditions, obesity, and infant mortality were higher than those abroad.
“Time and again, we see evidence that the amount of money we spend on health care in this country is not gaining us comparable health benefits,” said Commonwealth Fund President David Blumenthal, M.D. “We have to look at the root causes of this disconnect and invest our health care dollars in ways that will allow us to live longer while enjoying better health and greater productivity.”
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/pub...spends-more-on-health-care-than-other-nations
U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danmun...-compared-to-10-other-countries/#486bbd6f576f
Major Findings
• Quality: The indicators of quality were grouped into four categories: effective care, safe care, coordinated care, and patient-centered care. Compared with the other 10 countries, the U.S. fares best on provision and receipt of preventive and patient-centered care. While there has been some improvement in recent years, lower scores on safe and coordinated care pull the overall U.S. quality score down. Continued adoption of health information technology should enhance the ability of U.S. physicians to identify, monitor, and coordinate care for their patients, particularly those with chronic conditions.
• Access: Not surprisingly—given the absence of universal coverage—people in the U.S. go without needed health care because of cost more often than people do in the other countries. Americans were the most likely to say they had access problems related to cost. Patients in the U.S. have rapid access to specialized health care services; however, they are less likely to report rapid access to primary care than people in leading countries in the study. In other countries, like Canada, patients have little to no financial burden, but experience wait times for such specialized services. There is a frequent misperception that trade-offs between universal coverage and timely access to specialized services are inevitable; however, the Netherlands, U.K., and Germany provide universal coverage with low out-of-pocket costs while maintaining quick access to specialty services.
• Efficiency: On indicators of efficiency, the U.S. ranks last among the 11 countries, with the U.K. and Sweden ranking first and second, respectively. The U.S. has poor performance on measures of national health expenditures and administrative costs as well as on measures of administrative hassles, avoidable emergency room use, and duplicative medical testing. Sicker survey respondents in the U.K. and France are less likely to visit the emergency room for a condition that could have been treated by a regular doctor, had one been available.
• Equity: The U.S. ranks a clear last on measures of equity. Americans with below-average incomes were much more likely than their counterparts in other countries to report not visiting a physician when sick; not getting a recommended test, treatment, or follow-up care; or not filling a prescription or skipping doses when needed because of costs. On each of these indicators, one-third or more lower-income adults in the U.S. said they went without needed care because of costs in the past year.
• Healthy lives: The U.S. ranks last overall with poor scores on all three indicators of healthy lives—mortality amenable to medical care, infant mortality, and healthy life expectancy at age 60. The U.S. and U.K. had much higher death rates in 2007 from conditions amenable to medical care than some of the other countries, e.g., rates 25 percent to 50 percent higher than Australia and Sweden. Overall, France, Sweden, and Switzerland rank highest on healthy lives.
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror
No other advanced country even comes close to the United States in annual spending on health care, but plenty of those other countries see much better outcomes in their citizens' actual health overall.
A new Commonwealth Fund report released Thursday underscored that point — yet again — with an analysis that ranks 13 high-income nations on their overall health spending, use of medical services, prices and health outcomes.
The study data, which is from 2013, predates the full implementation of Obamacare, which took place in 2014. Obamacare is designed to increase health coverage for Americans and stem the rise in health-care costs.
The findings indicate that despite spending well in excess of the rate of any other of those countries in 2013, the United States achieved worse outcomes when it comes to rates of chronic conditions, obesity and infant mortality.
One rare bright spot for the U.S., however, is that its mortality rate for cancer is among the lowest out of the 13 countries, and that cancer rates fell faster between 1995 and 2007 than in other countries.
"Time and again, we see evidence that the amount of money we spend on health care in this country is not gaining us comparable health benefits," said Dr. David Blumenthal, president of the Commonwealth Fund. "We have to look at the root causes of this disconnect and invest our health-care dollars in ways that will allow us to live longer while enjoying better health and greater productivity."
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/08/us-health-care-spending-is-high-results-arenot-so-good.html
Ranking 37th — Measuring the Performance of the U.S. Health Care System
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0910064#t=article
Health Care Outcomes in States Influenced by Coverage, Disparities
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...-in-states-influenced-by-coverage-disparities
One explanation for the health disadvantage of the United States relative to other high-income countries might be deficiencies in health services. Although the United States is renowned for its leadership in biomedical research, its cutting-edge medical technology, and its hospitals and specialists, problems with ensuring Americans’ access to the system and providing quality care have been a long-standing concern of policy makers and the public (Berwick et al., 2008; Brook, 2011b; Fineberg, 2012). Higher mortality rates from diseases, and even from transportation-related injuries and homicides, may be traceable in part to failings in the health care system.
The United States stands out from many other countries in not offering universal health insurance coverage. In 2010, 50 million people (16 percent of the U.S. population) were uninsured (DeNavas-Walt et al., 2011). Access to health care services, particularly in rural and frontier communities or disadvantaged urban centers, is often limited. The United States has a relatively weak foundation for primary care and a shortage of family physicians (American Academy of Family Physicians, 2009; Grumbach et al., 2009; Macinko et al., 2007; Sandy et al., 2009). Many Americans rely on emergency departments for acute, chronic, and even preventive care (Institute of Medicine, 2007a; Schoen et al., 2009b, 2011). Cost sharing is common in the United States, and high out-of-pocket expenses make health care services, pharmaceuticals, and medical supplies increasingly unaffordable (Commonwealth Fund Commission on a High Performance System, 2011; Karaca-Mandic et al., 2012). In 2011, one-third of American households reported problems paying medical bills (Cohen et al., 2012), a problem that seems to have worsened in recent years (Himmelstein et al., 2009). Health insurance premiums are consuming an increasing proportion of U.S. household income (Commonwealth Fund Commission on a High Performance System, 2011).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK154484/
Once again, U.S. has most expensive, least effective health care system in survey
A report released Monday by a respected think tank ranks the United States dead last in the quality of its health-care system when compared with 10 other western, industrialized nations, the same spot it occupied in four previous studies by the same organization. Not only did the U.S. fail to move up between 2004 and 2014 -- as other nations did with concerted effort and significant reforms -- it also has maintained this dubious distinction while spending far more per capita ($8,508) on health care than Norway ($5,669), which has the second most expensive system.
"Although the U.S. spends more on health care than any other country and has the highest proportion of specialist physicians, survey findings indicate that from the patients’ perspective, and based on outcome indicators, the performance of American health care is severely lacking," the Commonwealth Fund, a New York-based foundation that promotes improved health care, concluded in its extensive analysis. The charts in this post are from the report.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...care-system-in-survey/?utm_term=.3bea55276072
US healthcare system ranks 50th out of 55 countries for efficiency
http://www.beckershospitalreview.co...-50th-out-of-55-countries-for-efficiency.html
The U.S. healthcare system notched another dubious honor in a new comparison of its quality to the systems of 10 other developed countries: its rank was dead last.
The new study by the Commonwealth Fund ranks the U.S. against seven wealthy European countries and Canada, Australia and New Zealand. It's a follow-up of previous surveys published in 2010, 2007, 2006 and 2004, in all of which the U.S. also ranked last.
Although the U.S. ranked in the middle of the pack on measures of effectiveness, safety and coordination of care, it ranked dead last on access and cost, by a sufficient margin to rank dead last overall. The breakdowns are in the chart above.
Conservative pundits hastened to explain away these results after the report was published. See Aaron Carroll for a gloss on the "zombie arguments" put forth against the clear evidence that the U.S. system falls short.
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-the-us-healthcare-system-20140617-column.html
U.S. Health Care Ranked Worst in the Developed World
http://time.com/2888403/u-s-health-care-ranked-worst-in-the-developed-world/
Frank,
Let's be clear, it's not MY definition. That's the so-called Christian definition. That god is AWOL.
You want a god? Give me Q
