atheists go to heaven: the Pope

[Stretch]

as it is written:
“None is righteous, no, not one;
no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
Rom. 3:10-12


But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Isaiah 64:6

 

[CFM]

Do you not understand how science works? Geology. Biology. Astronomy. Physics and and and...? I suggest going to your local library and checking out a few books on various science subjects and educate yourself because the information is there.

Personally I don't care if we started with a big bang or whatever. We are here. However that happened has no interest to me because it happened billions of years ago and this is 2018. I'm more concerned with tomorrow than yest.

The fact that you are here proves that someone came before you that provided a path to your existence. We don't need photographs when your very DNA holds the answers.

As far as evolution goes, believe it or not, I don't care. Some things don't need you to believe in them to exist. They just are. If you can't muster up the critical thinking skills to accept evolution despite all the science supporting it then absolutely nothing at this point will convince you. You go ahead and believe God said "Be" and presto, magic. Whatever. It changes nothing about the fact that evolution is indeed a fact.

And there lies the hypocrisy which is your existence. I can't provide the type proof you want and you use that to discount what I believe. However, when you can't provide the type proof I want for what you believe you still expect me to believe it.

God doesn't need you to believe in Him for Him to exist. He just is.

 

[CFM]

What exactly is it atheists expect you to fall in line with? Remind me please because I don't recall making demands on anyone to believe in some thing or else.

A previous post is where you expected me to fall in line with evolution. I don't expect nor care whether you fall in line with what I believe. It's clear, based on your statements, that you expect me to do so with what you believe.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

More on atheism.

Although Pope Francis did make statements in 2013 that were widely received as atypically inclusive of nonbelievers, he did not completely discount the necessity for a belief in God.

In December 2014, an image of Pope Francis was circulated via social media, with a strike quote appended to it suggesting that the pontiff had said “It is not necessary to believe in God to be a good person”:

The quote was deemed plausible by many Facebook users (who subsequently shared it) due in part because Pope Francis has been both inclusive and non-judgmental in his commentary thus far regarding faith, morality, and good deeds. The heavily-circulated quote also read to many as a natural extension of what was widely viewed as partial acceptance of atheism by Pope Francis during a May 2013 homily: back then, Pope Francis’ words were interpreted by some to mean atheists could achieve redemption through good deeds without belief in God, while others inferred the comments merely referenced corporeal time on Earth and cooperation towards peace:

“The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone! And this Blood makes us children of God of the first class. We are created children in the likeness of God and the Blood of Christ has redeemed us all. And we all have a duty to do good. And this commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is a beautiful path towards peace. If we, each doing our own part, if we do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter: We need that so much. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: We will meet one another there.”


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Following Pope Francis’ homily, Fr. Thomas Rosica (a Vatican spokesperson who specializes in translating the Pope’s remarks for English-speaking Catholics and the media) issued a clarification stating the homily’s content was not intended to suggest belief in God was immaterial to salvation:

This means that all salvation comes from Christ, the Head, through the Church which is his body. Hence they cannot be saved who, knowing the Church as founded by Christ and necessary for salvation, would refuse to enter her or remain in her. At the same time, thanks to Christ and to his Church, those who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ and his Church but sincerely seek God and, moved by grace, try to do his will as it is known through the dictates of conscience can attain eternal salvation.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pope-francis-belief-in-god/

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It's interesting that the speculation about atheists and heaven seems to upset some. Just lends more credence to the idea that they see Christianity as some sort of exclusive club with special perks available only to members.

 

[CFM]

No, never noticed. There is no possible way that god will be proven. That is why it is a belief, only a belief, not steeped in evidence or fact. 2000 years of training children before they are mature enough to ward off the propagandizing. You guys are proud of your child cruelty. Scaring the shit out little kids who are not mentally equipped to fight it off.

There is no evidence. therefore your position should be atheist. It is the only only one that makes sense. It is commensurate with all the knowledge we have.

Don't worry, God will prove Himself to you. The sad part is you think it will be done on your time. That's your first mistake. When it happens, believing what this current dumbass Pope says will be your second, and ultimately, final mistake.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

More on atheism.

in summary then, saying it is not necessary to believe in God to be a good person, but its still necessary to believe in God to enter heaven.......I have no problem with that.....

 

[CFM]

not true.....on the day of your death you will have all the proof you never wanted........

Nordberg is just another one that thinks God works on his time.

 

[Stretch]

It's interesting that the speculation about atheists and heaven seems to upset some. Just lends more credence to the idea that they see Christianity as some sort of exclusive club with special perks available only to members.

Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Mat. 7:13-14

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Mat. 7:13-14

"You're only granted this one trip, so make the journey full of wonder. Wander off the path. Sample the flowers. Listen to your fellow passengers for often they have wisdom to share. Be neither above nor below any. Tell the birds your secrets, share your sorrows with the wind. Dance joyfully in the rain, lift your face to the sun, find love in the moon's light. Know that you are not alone for you are part of the Web of Life. Teach your children how to live by your example, teach them how to die as well. -- Owl Woman (Awgaakaabishiikwe)

 

[Stretch]

"You're only granted this one trip, so make the journey full of wonder. Wander off the path. Sample the flowers. Listen to your fellow passengers for often they have wisdom to share. Be neither above nor below any. Tell the birds your secrets, share your sorrows with the wind. Dance joyfully in the rain, lift your face to the sun, find love in the moon's light. Know that you are not alone for you are part of the Web of Life. Teach your children how to live by your example, teach them how to die as well. -- Owl Woman (Awgaakaabishiikwe)

Nothing wrong with enjoying the beauty of God's creation. I admire his handiwork and thank him daily for it.

 

[Gotcha68]

not true.....on the day of your death you will have all the proof you never wanted........

Making absolutely unprovable statements like that makes you not only an idiot but also ensures anything else you say on here can be taken with a grain of salt...if even that.

 

[Gotcha68]

And there lies the hypocrisy which is your existence. I can't provide the type proof you want and you use that to discount what I believe. However, when you can't provide the type proof I want for what you believe you still expect me to believe it.

God doesn't need you to believe in Him for Him to exist. He just is.

What is it I believe that you require proof of and of which there is none?

If you say evolution is based on belief then you are even more ignorant than you appear because evolution is supported by facts, no belief required. Evolution would exist whether everybody or nobody believed in it. You can't say the same about your god simply because faith and belief are ALL you have, no evidence, no nothing.

 

[Gotcha68]

A previous post is where you expected me to fall in line with evolution. I don't expect nor care whether you fall in line with what I believe. It's clear, based on your statements, that you expect me to do so with what you believe.

I do NOT give a shit whether you fall in line with a damn thing. Regarding evolution, it doesn't need you to believe in or fall in line or any such thing. It will exist with or without your consent, belief, education or lack there of.

 

[christiefan915]

It's interesting that the speculation about atheists and heaven seems to upset some. Just lends more credence to the idea that they see Christianity as some sort of exclusive club with special perks available only to members.

I know. Shouldn't believers be happy that more people will go to heaven than not?

 

[evince]

I know. Shouldn't believers be happy that more people will go to heaven than not?

great point


so many Christians I have talked to took sooo much JOY in telling I'm going to hell


to them its a club and they are just better than others period

 

[Stretch]

I know. Shouldn't believers be happy that more people will go to heaven than not?

Just the opposite.

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Mat 7:13-14

 

[christiefan915]

Just the opposite.

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Mat 7:13-14

This suggests that Jesus isn't all-loving and all-forgiving.

 

[Stretch]

This suggests that Jesus isn't all-loving and all-forgiving.

First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. “Where is the promise of His coming?” they will ask. “Ever since our fathers fell asleep, everything continues as it has from the beginning of creation.”
2Pet 3:3-4

Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
2Pet 3:8-9

 

[evince]

the pope says atheists who are good people go to heaven

so you have been outvoted on who goes to heaven

 

[Stretch]

the pope says atheists who are good people go to heaven

so you have been outvoted on who goes to heaven

The pope has no authority as to salvation. He's a sinner the same as you and I, in need of forgiveness.
Only Christ forgives.

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What then? Are we any better? Not at all. For we have already made the charge that Jews and Greeks alike are all under sin. As it is written:

“There is no one righteous,

not even one;

There is no one who understands;

no one who seeks God.

All have turned away;

they have together become worthless;

there is no one who does good,

not even one.

Their throats are open graves;

their tongues practice deceit;

the venom of vipers is on their lips;

their mouths are full of cursing and of bitterness;

their feet are swift to shed blood;

ruin and misery lie in their wake;

and the way of peace they have not known;

there is no fear of God before their eyes.”

Now we know that whatever the Law says, it says to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the Law. For the Law merely brings awareness of sin.

But now, apart from the Law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, as attested by the Law and the Prophets. And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

God presented Him as an atoning sacrifice through faith in His blood, in order to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance He had passed over the sins committed beforehand. He did this to demonstrate His righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and to justify the one who has faith in Jesus.

Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of works? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
Rom 3:9-28