Atlantis and Noah

Tinkerpeach said:
The odds are that Atlantis did exist, Plato detailed it actually, but the odds of it being some advanced civilization have been probably blown out of proportion.

They were probably just some island nation similar to others in that region at the time who suffered a catastrophic disaster and died.

We have found artifacts all over the place in the Mediterranean that indicate there could be many societies that this happened to from pots to entire roads found under the water.
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First, I agree on the odds. Most legends have a basis in fact. The tellings around the campfires are another matter.

Yes, like Thera. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is thought to be a conflation of a SW Syrian town wiped out by a volcano and a flood closer to Judea.

Mankind has been around for about 300,000 years. A current theory is that modern thinking man has been around for about 30,000 years. Still, that's a lot of time for mankind to sit around compared to the last 2000 years of humanity.

Why the difference, in your opinion, Tink? Why did it take mankind at least 28,000 years to suddenly "bloom"?
 
Doc Dutch said:
Why would Cypress complain about a deletion, Perry?
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Wow, your admitted loss of intellectual acuity sure is kicking in here. You and your buddy C. both laughed about a post I made with large red all-caps. But I guess when hypocrite king Doc does it, it's OK.

How much do you love it, Perry, on a scale of 1 to 10? You're the Champion of the Universe for Internet Stats so you are free to use any scale you desire to measure you love of me. :)
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You take it to 10. Your hypocrisy and Cypress' hypocrisy are great.

The funny thing about Cypress is he doesn't seem to love the hatred as much as you do. Cypress just seems to get his panties in a twist and whine. You, on the other hand, seem to THRIVE on the hatred. You seem to drink bile for breakfast.

I am genuinely curious why Cypress likes you. I can only assume it is because you, similarly intellectually benighted, always give him "agreement". And he returns the favor. It allows him to feel like he's engaging with someone else without risk of possible disagreement. That's good because he doesn't seem to know much about the stuff he reads other than what he can quote. He seems to lack "synthesis" as part of his epistemology.

You, on the other hand, seem to only occasionally try to talk about something seriously but only to mark time until you can insult someone.

You two are definitely an odd couple. But then simple minds probably flock together everywhere.
 
Cardinal Carminative said:
Wow, your admitted loss of intellectual acuity sure is kicking in here. You and your buddy C. both laughed about a post I made with large red all-caps. But I guess when hypocrite king Doc does it, it's OK.



You take it to 10. Your hypocrisy and Cypress' hypocrisy are great.

The funny thing about Cypress is he doesn't seem to love the hatred as much as you do. Cypress just seems to get his panties in a twist and whine. You, on the other hand, seem to THRIVE on the hatred. You seem to drink bile for breakfast.

I am genuinely curious why Cypress likes you. I can only assume it is because you, similarly intellectually benighted, always give him "agreement". And he returns the favor. It allows him to feel like he's engaging with someone else without risk of possible disagreement. That's good because he doesn't seem to know much about the stuff he reads other than what he can quote. He seems to lack "synthesis" as part of his epistemology.

You, on the other hand, seem to only occasionally try to talk about something seriously but only to mark time until you can insult someone.

You two are definitely an odd couple. But then simple minds probably flock together everywhere.
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Take this for what it's worth - which isn't much...

I am a big believer in civil rights. A lot of people pretend to be libertarians - I'm the real deal - I walk the walk so to speak. I truly believe in free speech. Because of that, I am fundamentally opposed to putting people on ignore - it's a chickenshit way to duck opinions one doesn't like.

BUT I have one single person on ignore - Doc Dutch - because he is so totally putrid that no one should speak to him.

Just my unsolicited opinion.
 
Doc Dutch said:
First, I agree on the odds. Most legends have a basis in fact. The tellings around the campfires are another matter.

Yes, like Thera. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is thought to be a conflation of a SW Syrian town wiped out by a volcano and a flood closer to Judea.

Mankind has been around for about 300,000 years. A current theory is that modern thinking man has been around for about 30,000 years. Still, that's a lot of time for mankind to sit around compared to the last 2000 years of humanity.

Why the difference, in your opinion, Tink? Why did it take mankind at least 28,000 years to suddenly "bloom"?
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Not really my area of expertise but if I had to guess I would say it would be technology starting with the ability to create fire then followed by agriculture.

As we had more time to spend because of inventions we had more time to think of things and the improvements kept happening.

The invention of electricity was a huge game changer as well as the industrial revolution followed by the invention of the computer, instant communication, lots of factors into it.

The more you know the quicker you advance and discover more.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Not really my area of expertise but if I had to guess I would say it would be technology starting with the ability to create fire then followed by agriculture.

As we had more time to spend because of inventions we had more time to think of things and the improvements kept happening.

The invention of electricity was a huge game changer as well as the industrial revolution followed by the invention of the computer, instant communication, lots of factors into it.

The more you know the quicker you advance and discover more.
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I think a game changer was a lightning strike ,burned some animals, the smell of cooked meat attracted some men,who ate the cooked meat. From then on the spread
cooking meat,changed man's energy level.
 
Margot said:
I think a game changer was a lightning strike ,burned some animals, the smell of cooked meat attracted some men,who ate the cooked meat. From then on the spread
cooking meat,changed man's energy level.
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I've worked with a few chefs and they often spend time looking for new ways to prepare food.

It's more likely that the early people were looking for a way to preserve their catches, which were not easy to come by and simply tried out a new method. In the process they discovered it tasted better.

I'm sure they also tried things like holding raw meat under water or burying it or any number of things.

But we simply will never know for certain how it came about.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
The odds are that Atlantis did exist, Plato detailed it actually,
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... or Plato was trying his had at fiction. They loved stories in acient Ellas.


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IBDaMann said:
... or Plato was trying his had at fiction. They loved stories in acient Ellas.


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Plato believed that fiction also contained truth.

His style of writing often used dramatic effects to get his point across.

He was not an historian so yes, Atlantis could have been an analogy for something else.

However, he did give detailed descriptions and even maps of it leading many to believe that he not only knew about it but actually visited it.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
The odds are that Atlantis did exist, Plato detailed it actually, but the odds of it being some advanced civilization have been probably blown out of proportion.

They were probably just some island nation similar to others in that region at the time who suffered a catastrophic disaster and died.

We have found artifacts all over the place in the Mediterranean that indicate there could be many societies that this happened to from pots to entire roads found under the water.
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Consider it from the opposite POV ,Atlantis was so advanced it blew itself up and sunk the bottom of the ocean as the water level came up!
 
Tinkerpeach said:
The odds are that Atlantis did exist, Plato detailed it actually
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So the odds are that Xanadu did exist; Coleridge detailed it actually.

Tinkerpeach said:
but the odds of it being some advanced civilization have been probably blown out of proportion.
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Neither Plato nor Coleridge wrote of "advanced civilization" or of the people ever having to eat food, so the odds are against either of them.

Tinkerpeach said:
They were probably just some island nation similar to others in that region at the time who suffered a catastrophic disaster and died.
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Yeah. It couldn't possibly be an urban legend.

Tinkerpeach said:
We have found artifacts all over the place in the Mediterranean that indicate there could be many societies that this happened to from pots to entire roads found under the water.
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It is extremely prevalent for coastline regions, especially around islands, to sink. Venice is sinking. New Orleans is sinking. Korčula coast (where the submerged roads were found) is sinking. This is a normal part of geology. All throughout human history, when an area sank and eventually became submerged ... the people left. In present day, however, we simply establish tourism.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Noah's flood was regional, they have found archaeological records of it happening in that region.

Atlantis was supposedly nowhere near that region.

Apparently Atlantis was destroyed by a giant quake and tsunami but they have never pinpointed the exact region.

Since Plato was the main person to write on Atlantis we can assume is was close to greece, possibly as far out as the Atlantic region.

There is no record of Noah ever being a sailor so he would have had no contact with Atlantis.

Noah didn't travel he was essentially a farmer, sometimes preacher and a drunk.
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Noah could have had a lot of contact with Atlantis if that's where he lived!
 
Margot said:
Was Atlantis destroyed by Noah's flood?
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No because the Noachian Flood wasn't real. There may have been a localized flood which accounts for the legends, but the flood of the BIble was not real. It left zero traces of evidence which would be OBVIOUS in the geologic record.

Margot said:
Did Noah sail from Atlantis?
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I know a guy who thinks Noah ended up in New Jersey. Seriously.
 
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