Attorneys

There are all kinds of lawyers, good ones, bad ones, medium ones, some are an asset to society, some are not.

Just like a banker, stock broker, or grocer.

Many hate lawyers because they force people to face the reality of the law.
 
Interesting side-note....

President Bush is a businessman.
Vice President Cheney is a businessman.
The leaders of the Republican Revolution:
Newt Gingrich was a history professor.
Tom Delay was an exterminator. Dick Armey was an economist.
House Minority Leader Boehner was a plastic manufacturer.
The former Senate Majority Leader Bill First is a heart surgeon.
Who was the last Republican president who was a lawyer? Gerald Ford, who left office 31 years ago and who barely won the Republican nomination as a sitting president, running against Ronald Reagan in 1976.
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Barack Obama is a lawyer. Michelle Obama is a lawyer.
Hillary Clinton is a lawyer. Bill Clinton is a lawyer.
John Edwards is a lawyer. Elizabeth Edwards is a lawyer.
Every Democrat nominee since 1984 went to law school (although Gore did not graduate).
Every Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976, except for Lloyd Bentsen, went to law school.
Look at leaders of the Democrat Party in Congress:
Harry Reid is a lawyer. Nancy Pelosi is a lawyer.
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The Republican Party is made up of real people doing real work, who are often the targets of lawyers.
The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats mock and scorn men who create wealth, like Bush and Cheney, or who heal the sick, like First, or who immerse themselves in history, like Gingrich.

The Lawyers Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and services that people want, as the enemies of America . And, so we have seen the procession of official enemies, in the eyes of the Lawyers Party, grow.

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That is very interesting Bravo. I appreciate the work you put into that. No wonder I liked Gingrich so much. :) I have no sympathy for lawyers in general as when I think of lawyers I think of ambulance chasers (whom I despise), but I must agree with Jarod that there are good lawyers and there are bad lawyers...just like there are good businessmen and there are bad businessmen.

Somewhere in all of it there has got to be balance...somehow businessmen need the freedom/ability to create jobs but many of them need to learn not to be so greedy (don't try to convince me that many are not), and somehow the lawyers have to find a way to help people without strapping oppressive laws/taxes on the businesses.

None of this is ever going to happen unless the businessmen and lawyers learn to work together and compromise. Businessmen need to learn to give a little and lawyers need to learn not to want so much. Sacrifices are going to have to be made on both sides to get us out of the fix that we are in. As a religious man I continue to pray for the leaders on both sides.
 
leaningright said:
That is very interesting Bravo. I appreciate the work you put into that. No wonder I liked Gingrich so much. :) I have no sympathy for lawyers in general as when I think of lawyers I think of ambulance chasers (whom I despise), but I must agree with Jarod that there are good lawyers and there are bad lawyers...just like there are good businessmen and there are bad businessmen.

Somewhere in all of it there has got to be balance...somehow businessmen need the freedom/ability to create jobs but many of them need to learn not to be so greedy (don't try to convince me that many are not), and somehow the lawyers have to find a way to help people without strapping oppressive laws/taxes on the businesses.

None of this is ever going to happen unless the businessmen and lawyers learn to work together and compromise. Businessmen need to learn to give a little and lawyers need to learn not to want so much. Sacrifices are going to have to be made on both sides to get us out of the fix that we are in. As a religious man I continue to pray for the leaders on both sides.
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You liked Newty! Oh, I am so disappointed!
 
leaningright said:
That is very interesting Bravo. I appreciate the work you put into that. No wonder I liked Gingrich so much. :) I have no sympathy for lawyers in general as when I think of lawyers I think of ambulance chasers (whom I despise), but I must agree with Jarod that there are good lawyers and there are bad lawyers...just like there are good businessmen and there are bad businessmen.

Somewhere in all of it there has got to be balance...somehow businessmen need the freedom/ability to create jobs but many of them need to learn not to be so greedy (don't try to convince me that many are not), and somehow the lawyers have to find a way to help people without strapping oppressive laws/taxes on the businesses.

None of this is ever going to happen unless the businessmen and lawyers learn to work together and compromise. Businessmen need to learn to give a little and lawyers need to learn not to want so much. Sacrifices are going to have to be made on both sides to get us out of the fix that we are in. As a religious man I continue to pray for the leaders on both sides.
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Well. I don't want to take credit for someone else's work...I just picked that up in my travels somewhere months ago...
And of course Jarhead is right...there is good and bad all over, in all walks of life....though you wouldn't know that by what the pinheads say about Conservatives......
 
Yurt said:
just hired guns or an asset to society?
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If the laws were required to be written so they were clear and simple, if the courts were required to operate in a simple manner that the layman could understand, and if plaintiffs were required to pay the defense's legal fees when they lost, we would have a lot less lawyers. If the system was set up to bolster farmers like it is to bolster lawyers then food would cost ten times more that it does.
 
Yurt said:
just hired guns or an asset to society?
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Almost entirely Democrats, therefore almost all leaches on society. What do you call a lawyer with a lawyer under each arm walking into the ocean?

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A good start!

:D (Don't take it personally Yurt, I'm mostly kidding.
 
Jarod said:
There are all kinds of lawyers, good ones, bad ones, medium ones, some are an asset to society, some are not.

Just like a banker, stock broker, or grocer.

Many hate lawyers because they force people to face the reality of the law.
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That's actually true. Many times you pay a lawyer for legal advice and he tells you exactly what you don't want to hear....and you're a damned fool if you don't listen to them. Having said that, you aint gonna win any popularity contests that way.
 
Damn Yankee said:
And almost all farmers are Republicans.
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Yea they are and having been raised on a farm and living in rural areas a good part of my life and knowing farmers as I do.......no way in hell do I want them writing the laws or running the machinery of government.

Most farmers I know are very good people but they are almost completely disconnected from urban realities, don't deal well with highly complex situations outside their realm of personal experience and tend to be rather misanthropic.

You're typical farmer would firmly believe the world would all be a better place if they owned everything and the rest of us worked as their serfs and they called all the shots.
 
Damocles said:
True, and contrary to popular belief almost all farmers are also college graduates. While townies may not always be (small town areas), almost all the people who are growing your food are.
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They are, this is news to me, most I knew in Kansas did not go to college, but inherited the family farm from a relative, interesting, thanks Damo.
 
Damocles said:
True, and contrary to popular belief almost all farmers are also college graduates. While townies may not always be (small town areas), almost all the people who are growing your food are.
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and look at what a lot of these Farmers have done to rural areas in the last 30 years. They control the regions politically. Unions are gone and so are the factories that brought middle class prosperity to small rural towns and villages. Opportunities are so hard to come by for young people in rural areas (unless they are in line to inherit the farm) that most of them flee for greener pastures. Our rural areas now have higher unemployment rates then the inner city of most metro areas. Crime rates in rural areas are also soaring mainly due to drug trafficking because of the lack of employment opportunities. The median income in rural areas is about 1/4 less then in metro and suburban areas creating a lot of rural ghettos out there and the median homeowner age out where I'm from is something like 52!

The rural county where I was raised had 14 factories in 1978 that employed 4,000 people. Now there are two who employ less then 500 people and they still provide more of a spin off economy then all the farmers in the county combined do and the middle class has virtually dissappeared. You have the Farmers, a handful of profesionals and the working poor.

So you're not impressing me by telling me most farmers are Republicans. You are right, they are. They are also mostly wanna be plutocrats who are adamantly opposed to any changes that profit anyone but themselves and I've seen first hand the damage that attitude has done. Why the hell do you think I left? So I could be some college educated farmers hired hand working for minimum wage for the rest of my life because my name isn't a Hoying or a Hemelgarn or a Pax or one of the other famous farming families in the region and therefore i am completely unworthy of a college education cause I wasn't born into the right family? Fuck that.

Hell those reactionary pricks want to close down the only community college in the county cause they don't think their tax dollars should be wasted on it cause you don't need a college education to work in their fields for them.

Look, I know a lot of farmers and they are in general damned fine people but don't paint them up to me as paragons of virtue. I know them better then that.
 
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Mott the Hoople said:
and look at what a lot of these Farmers have done to rural areas in the last 30 years. They control the regions politically. Unions are gone and so are the factories that brought middle class prosperity to small rural towns and villages. Opportunities are so hard to come by for young people in rural areas (unless they are in line to inherit the farm) that most of them flee for greener pastures. Our rural areas now have higher unemployment rates then the inner city of most metro areas. Crime rates in rural areas are also soaring mainly due to drug trafficking because of the lack of employment opportunities. The median income in rural areas is about 1/4 less then in metro and suburban areas creating a lot of rural ghettos out there.

The rural county where I was raised had 14 factories in 1978 that employed 4,000 people. Now there are two who employ less then 500 people and they still provide more of a spin off economy then all the farmers in the county combined do.

So you're not impressing me by telling me most farmers are Republicans. You are right, they are. They are also mostly wanna be plutocrats who are adamantly opposed to any changes that profit anyone but themselves and I've seen first hand the damage that attitude has done. Why the hell do you think I left? So I could be some college educated farmers hired hand working for minimum wage for the rest of my life because my name isn't a Hoying or a Hemelgarn or a Pax or one of the other famous farming families in the region and therefore i am completely unworthy of a college education.

Hell those reactionary pricks want to close down the only community college in the county cause they don't think their tax dollars should be wasted on it.

Look, I know a lot of farmers and they are in general damned fine people but don't paint them up to me as paragons of virtue. I know them better then that.
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I do, too and they are just people! and my relatives, some of them! and they aren't paragons of virtue!
 
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