Bachman quitting in 2014

DamnYankee said:
So yours scored 54th in your category and hers scored 53rd in her category.

So tell me again that ORU is "a joke".

And what about William and Mary?
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That's like comparing apples to oranges, the catagories are very different and a 54 under Major Universities is different from a 54 from small colleges. Look at the score not the ranking.
 
Howey said:
"Smart" doesn't always translate to "Sane". What Bachmann had in looks and speaking skills she lacked in common sense.

23 foster children. All used to provide free labor during political campaigns. I guess you don't get the irony of using IMDB as a source for her biography, do you?
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Cite evidence that the woman is mentally ill; insane, Doctor Howey.

Cite evidence that she used her children to provide said free labor.

IMDB was the first hit using the search terms I used. Is the information I used inaccurate?
 
Jarod said:
That's like comparing apples to oranges, the catagories are very different and a 54 under Major Universities is different from a 54 from small colleges. Look at the score not the ranking.
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Comparing the score of an orange with the score of an apple is irrelevant, as you just stated. You have to look at the ranking among oranges, and the rankings among apples.

And what about William and Mary?
 
DamnYankee said:
Comparing the score of an orange with the score of an apple is irrelevant, as you just stated. You have to look at the ranking among oranges, and the rankings among apples.

And what about William and Mary?
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I see, so now you want to use a different standard.... Funny how you shift so quickly when you lose based on the standard you set.

I agree W & M is impressive, as I've already said.
 
Jarod said:
I see, so now you want to use a different standard.... Funny how you shift so quickly when you lose based on the standard you set.

I agree W & M is impressive, as I've already said.
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Actually, I've used the relative ranking since the beginning. It is you who now want to move the goal posts.

So, since her school ranks about the same as yours, how is her's a "joke" and yours is not?

And since she went on to an even better school for post-doctorate work, I'd say that makes her pretty smart. At least smarter than you. It also validates the education that she received at ORU. Wouldn't you agree?
 
Pay no attention to Bachmann's "law" degree. She doesn't have one. Just another lie from the Queen of Fact Checks.

Michele Bachmann's Campaign Biography page makes the claim:

"After earning her law degree, she went on to the College of William and Mary to get an LLM in Tax Law "

Um ... there are TWO huge problems with that lie.

William and Mary does NOT now and never has offered an LL.M Degree in Tax Law.

The ONLY LL.M Program that William and Mary offer is for "Foreign Students" ... Non U.S. Lawyers ... William & Mary's ONLY LL.M program is titled: "LL.M in American Law." not Tax Law.
William & Mary only offers a FEW tax law classes and they do not offer a Degree in Tax Law.

So, either Michele Bachmann is NOT an American Citizen and went to William & Mary and got an LL.M because she was Foreign Student.

Or ... she is just a big fat liar.

Michele Bachmann has got to be one of the most ignorant people I have ever heard speak. She is also one of the biggest liars I have ever heard speak.

Here ignorance on taxes and how they work has always astonished me. Then I heard one of her staffers say "Michele Bachmann has a degree in Tax Law." My first thought, "NO EFFING WAY!"

I know people who really do have their LL.M in Tax Law. I also know very few Law Schools in America even offer that Degree - which means it is very hard to get into any Tax Law program.

After listening to the utter stupidity that comes out of Bachmann's mouth I knew there was no way in hell she
a) would have been accepted into a Tax Law Program and
b) never in a million years would have been able to graduate with a Tax Law Degree.

Last night on Anderson Cooper 360 he highlighted in his "Keep Em Honest" segment the lies and false comments Michele Bachmann told an audience regarding the history and founding of this country.

Not only does Bachmann lies about and FLUNKS American History - Michele Bachmann even lies about and FLUNKS her own history.

Here is William & Mary's Law School phone number:
(757) 221-3800

If you want, call them and find out ...

By the way: For those readers unfamiliar with what an LL.M is, and LL.M is a "Masters of Law" in a field of Law and is obtained only after the JD is obtained.

Finally, very few law schools in the USA even offer an LL.M in Tax Law.
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Here's some more lies...

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/08/michele-bachmann-not-doctor-phd

And one more thing: Lest you think she doesn't have the brains to do battle with Obama, she rattles off her degrees. "I'm not only a lawyer, I have a postdoctorate degree in federal tax law from William and Mary," she told Fox News' Chris Wallace in June. "I work in serious scholarship."

But there was one résumé item that was missing: a Ph.D. Back in the late 1990s and early 2000s, when Bachmann traveled the state as an education activist, she went by "Dr. Michele Bachmann," even though she had never obtained nor sought the advanced degree that's a prerequisite for the title.
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Oh, Jarod's right.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/14/u...t-oral-roberts-university.html?pagewanted=all

It took Mrs. Bachmann seven years to graduate; she took a four-year hiatus that began before the birth of her first child. And the school itself was short-lived; it ran out of money and closed in 1986.
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Bachmann Pulls a Palin, Quits!

Bat Shit Crazy said: she won't run for re-election?!!

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[/SIZE][SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1]Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Batshit), a leading Teabagger and a 2012 joke presidential candidate,
announced that she will not seek re-election next year in Minnesota's sixth congressional district.

Bachmann, who was set for another re-match against Democrat Jim Graves in 2014, insisted that
the decision had nothing to do with her probably landslide loss to Graves. She narrowly defeated
Graves last year and, facing a number of campaign finance investigations into her presidential bid,
was considered vulnerable. Bachmann also denied that her crimes played any role in her decision.

Bachmann added that, like Palin, she will give serious consideration to any future opportunity,
whether it's involved in politics or snake handling - whatever, "if it can help save our great nation."
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DamnYankee said:
Cite evidence that the woman is mentally ill; insane, Doctor Howey.

Cite evidence that she used her children to provide said free labor.

IMDB was the first hit using the search terms I used. Is the information I used inaccurate?
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Top 10 Bachmann crazy quotes:

1."I don't know how much God has to do to get the attention of the politicians. We've had an earthquake; we've had a hurricane. He said, 'Are you going to start listening to me here?' Listen to the American people because the American people are roaring right now. They know government is on a morbid obesity diet and we've got to rein in the spending." –Rep. Michele Bachmann, suggesting at a presidential campaign event in Florida that the 2011 East Coast earthquake and hurricane was a message from God (Aug. 2011)

2. "Well what I want them to know is just like, John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa. That's the kind of spirit that I have, too" -Rep. Michele Bachmann, getting her John Waynes mixed up during an interview after launching her presidential campaign in Waterloo, Iowa, where she grew up. The beloved movie star John Wayne was born in Winterset, Iowa, three hours away. The John Wayne that Waterloo was home to is John Wayne Gacy, a notorious serial killer. (June 2011)

3. "I will tell you that I had a mother last night come up to me here in Tampa, Florida, after the debate. She told me that her little daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and she suffered from mental retardation thereafter." –Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), on the HPV vaccine, Fox News interview, Sept. 12, 2011

4. "Why should I go and do something like that? But the Lord says, 'Be submissive wives; you are to be submissive to your husbands." -Rep. Michele Bachmann, recalling in a 2006 speech at a Megachurch in Minneapolis that pursuing tax law wasn't her choice, but she did so at the urging of her husband because she was certain God was speaking through him

5. "I wish the American media would take a great look at the views of the people in Congress and find out: Are they pro-America or anti-America?" -Rep. Michelle Bachmann, calling for a new McCarthyism, Oct. 2008

6. "I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence." -Rep. Michele Bachmann, on the 1976 Swine Flu outbreak that happened when Gerald Ford, a Republican, was president, April 28, 2009

7. "Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas." -Rep. Michelle Bachmann, April, 2009

8. "If we took away the minimum wage -- if conceivably it was gone -- we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." -Michele Bachmann, Jan. 2005

9. "But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States. ... I think it is high time that we recognize the contribution of our forbearers who worked tirelessly -- men like John Quincy Adams, who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in the country." -Rep. Michele Bachmann, botching American history while speaking at an Iowan's for Tax Relief event in January 2011. The Founding Fathers did not work to end slavery, and John Quincy Adams was not one of the Founding Fathers.

10. "Before we get started, let's all say 'Happy Birthday' to Elvis Presley today." -Rep. Michele Bachmann, while campaigning for president in South Carolina on what was actually the anniversary of Elvis's death, Aug. 16, 2011 (Elvis was born on January 8)

~Compiled by Daniel Kurtzman

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/23/988141/-About-Bachmann-s-Twenty-Three-Foster-Kids

For once, Matt Taibbi left some space for others in his Michele Bachmann smackdown.
As Bachmann has told and retold her story as one of divine inspiration, she has recast her biography in ever more grandiose directions. A great example is the issue of her "28 children." Bachmann has five kids and, something even her most withering critic should acknowledge, has cared for 23 foster kids. But in 2008 — 10 years after any of her foster children had been in her home — Bachmann was talking as though she was still dashing home from Congress to cook for them. "Every weekend now when I go home, I will go to the grocery store, I'll buy food for the family," she said. "We have five kids and 23 foster kids that we raise. So I go to the grocery store and buy a lot of food."
A mild rebuke for her claim that she still bought groceries for kids that hadn't been in her care for ten years. The NYTimes profile of Bachmann states that her career as a foster mother was from 1992 to 2000. If correct, then she grocery shopped for kids eight, and not ten, years after they were gone. Not an important difference, but small errors in the critique of rightwing politicians send their troops into a tizzy and they blow it all out of proportion.

More troubling is the impression that “... has cared for 23 foster kids” makes her sound like a cross between Mother Theresa and The Duggars. As quoted in the NYTimes:

“We took 23 foster children into our home, and raised them, and launched them off into the world.”
The selfless Bachmanns. So, unlike those minority foster parents that Republicans love to accuse of doing it for the money. As if state reimbursements to foster parents cover more than the cost of housing, feeding, and clothing a child. (In California it doesn't even do that, and charities are left to make up for some of the shortage.)

CUNY – Hunter College of Social Work issued a comprehensive report on the basic reimbursement rates for all states in 2008. No surprise that they are low. (Big surprise on which state is the highest. But ssh – think of the children and keep it quiet.)

The Bachmanns, however, weren't ordinary foster parents. No basic MN reimbursement rate of between $585 and $699 per month (2008 rates) for the children they took into their home. They took in children through the private agency PATH Minnesota, Inc. George Hendrickson, L.S.W., CEO of PATH disclosed that the Bachmann's provided what is called a “treatment home.” According to the NYTimes:

That designation required a higher standard of care from parents who had the educational and emotional capability to handle “serious mental health issues.” Dr. Bachmann’s training was an asset.
They were licensed to care for up to three children at a time and received reimbursement that was at least twice the basic rate. (Currently, for three children, that would be over $50,000 a year. Not a princely sum, but ..)

Mr. Hendrickson was also able to say, “They began by offering short-term care for girls with eating disorders ...”

As twenty-three children came and went during a period of only eight years fostering and never more than three at a time, Michele couldn't possibly have, as she said, “raised them, and launched them off into the world.” Nor did she ever grocery shop for more than eight children (her five plus three) at any time. How often that was and the length of time any of those foster children stayed in the Bachmann home is confidential.

Being a foster child is rarely a positive experience. Being a foster parent is most often a very difficult and thankless task. A troubled child in such a circumstance almost always needs support, kindness, and a stable living situation for years and not what they usually get, being shuttled in and out of foster care and among foster homes. Perhaps the Bachmanns were better short-term foster parents than many others, but they aren't Sean and Leigh Anne Tuohys
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/01/michele-bachmann-foster-parent_n_888924.html

WASHINGTON--Rep. Michele Bachmann mentions her stint as a foster mother at every opportunity, whether she's introducing herself at the recent debate in New Hampshire or speaking at the 2008 Republican National Convention. It's always been a bedrock part of the Bachmann brand.

In the last three months, at least 100 news stories have mentioned Bachmann's claim that she raised 23 foster children. But the GOP presidential hopeful has provided few details about her time as a foster mom; in fact, very little has actually been reported about that period in her life. Former Bachmann neighbors and church members, according to a recent New York Times story , recalled few sightings of those foster kids.

Actual details remain murky, and reports and accounts contradict her public statements. Bachmann has repeatedly said she took in a total of 23 foster children. But a 2001 story in The Minnesota Lawyer put the number of children at 20. A recent article in the Minneapolis Star Tribune quotes Bachmann as saying she raised as many as four foster children at one time. But Minnesota officials say she was only contracted to house three at a time.

And according to the head of the private company that licensed her as a foster parent, Bachmann never even hit that limit. "I would say there weren't any more than two kids at a time," said George Hendrickson, the CEO of the Professional Association of Treatment Homes (PATH).

Because Bachmann went through PATH, she did not work with state agencies at all. The Minnesota Department of Human Services says that Bachmann was licensed on Aug. 7, 1992. According to Hendrickson, the last foster child was placed in her home in 1998. The license was closed out in 2000, Hendrickson said.

Any records documenting foster placements have since been destroyed; records are kept for seven years before they are thrown out.

When asked to release her foster parent records, Bachmann's campaign was non-committal. "You're assuming she still has the records," campaign spokesperson Alice Stewart told HuffPost on Friday. "I will check." (Stewart has yet to provide further information; this article will be updated if she does.)

Hendrickson licensed Bachmann himself and worked directly with her for her first four years of foster parenting. "They were looking for unwed mothers," he said. "She was on maternity leave at the time, so that made sense." He added that Bachmann worked primarily with teenage girls -- many from an outpatient eating disorder treatment program.

Some foster children stayed with the Bachmann family for short periods of time, Hendrickson said, while at least one stayed for close to a year. He did not recall hearing any complaints about Bachmann. "She was well-organized," he said. "There's a very soft, nurturing side to her."

Hendrickson did remember one thing that really stuck out: Bachmann's home decor. "You could have picked up the home and placed it in Boston," he said. "It was decorated in that kind of style -- it had a lot of the older style." He compared the home in a favorable light to Colonial Williamsburg.

"I didn't have families that were furnished that way," Hendrickson said. "It was a beautiful home."
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20072121-503544.html

Michelle Goldberg quoted Kris Harvieux, who worked as a senior social worker in the foster care system in Bachmann's county, who said at least some of Bachmann's placements were likely short term.

"Some of them you have for a week. Some of them you have for three years, some you have for six months," he said. "She makes it sound like she got them at birth and raised them to adulthood, but that's not true."

According to Goldberg, the Minnesota Department of Human Services reports that Bachmann's foster care license allowed her to care for at most three children at any one time; she had the license for 7 1/2 years.

Asked to explain her situation with her foster children, Bachmann said "we took children in as teenagers."

"Their family was facing a challenge and they weren't going to be able to be at home with their parents and so we took them in as teenagers," she continued. "And our job was to see that they graduated from high school and were successfully launched into the world."
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I was joking in reference to the foster kids working on the campaign. None of them have been seen in years.

She did, however, have other unpaid children working for her.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/michele-bachmann-home-school-fundraising

Over the last week of the campaign, nearly six-dozen home-schooled students, some flown in from out of state, joined the Bachmann campaign, knocking on doors, sending out mailers, and making thousands of phone calls.
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Biden, on one hand, is a two term Vice President. Bachman, on the other, is a tea party wingnut who has already had way more than her alotted 15 minutes of fame and now she will shuffle off, stage right, and regain her former position of total irrelevancy. Man... It must just SUCK to be a white supremacist redneck from Tobacco Road and have that uppity NEGRO in the Oval Office for a SECOND term.
 
maineman said:
Biden, on one hand, is a two term Vice President. Bachman, on the other, is a tea party wingnut who has already had way more than her alotted 15 minutes of fame and now she will shuffle off, stage right, and regain her former position of total irrelevancy. Man... It must just SUCK to be a white supremacist redneck from Tobacco Road and have that uppity NEGRO in the Oval Office for a SECOND term.
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Not only sucks in their eyes to be beaten by a black man, twice, but it looks like, if she runs, a woman will beat them next time.

Palin-Bachmann next time, that'd be a hoot.
 
Jarod said:
ORU School of law has no ranking. Sorry to burst your bubble. If you want to go back and research how it was ranked in the 80's, then compare it to my School maybe we could figure that out.
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lol....if your school is that great, why the fuck did they admit a dimwit like you?......
 
DamnYankee said:
The essence of the Democrat Party shows its ugly head yet again, almost 150 years after we kicked your sorry asses back to the plantation, sans free labor.
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"essence of the democratic party"???

You racist southerners crack me up. Now I fully realize that your kinfolk fought for the union, just as mine did. I also know that the essence of the democratic party used to be southern white racists. And I know that, for a long long time, northern democrats were increasingly at odds with southern democrats. Those democrats in the north did not share the racism and hatred for the black man that southern democrats felt and that disagreement in basic attitudes towards black people simmered away within the democratic party for decades. And along about 1948, the simmering started to boil. That was the year that Strom "I like dark meat" Thurmond walked out of the convention in Minneapolis and ran for president as a Dixiecrat. His platform included making segregation the law of the land and outlawing interracial marriage. The boiling continued, and as the party churned and boiled, white racist democrats in the south started evaporating... They either changed parties or they left congress. Another cool thing happened.. Blacks started figuring out that the party of Lincoln that their parents had idolized was no longer looking out for their better interests and they started abandoning the GOP in droves. Losing this formerly solid bloc of voters really worried the GOP, but they saw a silver lining. the formerly solid blue south could maybe become red. The republican party began to salivate at all those disenfranchised angry racist southern democrats, and they built a "southern strategy" to capture them. It worked! The south is now pretty much solid red and they were able to do it without any black votes... Just angry white guys. Clearly, once you get south of the Mason-Dixon line, yesterday's dixiecrats are today's republicans. It wasn't but a few years ago that the senior GOP senator - a southerner, of course - candidly voiced the secret dreams of white southern republican racists. He said that we would be a better country today, if we had elected the guy who stood for segregation and against interracial marriage (but who certainly was not above getting it wet and sloppy with the colored help)... We would be a better country TODAY if we had elected Strom in 1948 instead of Truman. That is what the republican leader of the US Senate firmly believed. It's what racist southern republicans all believe. And the black man KNOWS it. They know that the democratic party USED TO BE the party of the KKK and Jim Crow and the true blue democratic south was proof of that. But they also know that the democrats abandoned the racist southerners in their midst and took up the cause of the black man and they know that thesouthern racist democrats didn't disappear... They just put their white hoods in the closet marched on down to the county courthouse and changed their party affiliation to the GOP who welcomed them with open arms.

You all can rant and rave about what the democratic party USED TO BE, but blacks ain't buyin' that shit. You can keep telling them that if they weren't so lazy and in love with the dole, they'd realize what a great party the GOP really is, and who knows... That sort of candid tough love might work... but then, all they have to do is remember the sentiments of Trent Lott and they know what y'all REALLY believe.
 
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