BAC'S boy chavez stealing more companies

Topspin said:
CARACAS, Venezuela - President Hugo Chavez ordered the takeover of at least six metal, ceramic and other companies Thursday, accelerating his push to spread socialism and build "an industrial complex" in Venezuela.

The companies include Venezuelan steelmaker Siderurgica Venezolana SA, ceramic tile-maker Ceramica Carabobo, and iron producer Materiales Siderurgicos SA, or Matesi. Matesi is owned by the Argentine-Italian conglomerate Techint through its Luxembourg-based subsidiary Tenaris.

Also affected is iron producer Complejo Siderurgico de Guayana, whose shareholders include Japanese investment conglomerate Marubeni Corp., Japanese steelmaker Kobe Steel Ltd., and Mexico's Tubos de Acero de Mexico SA.

Chavez said the move will help Venezuela reduce reliance on imports and boost local industry.

"We're planning a single large, integrated industrial complex," he said.

Chavez's government has nationalized major steel, cement, electricity, telecommunications and oil projects since 2006 in a bid to expand the reach of the state. In the last month it has seized 75 oil contracting firms, many of which said they are owed money by state oil company Petroleos de Venezuela SA.
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Here's part of the story you left out ...

Polls Show Economic Optimism and Strong Support for Venezuelan President

Mérida, May 15th 2009 (Venezuelanalysis.com) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez's approval rating remains above 60 percent, according to recent polls by Datanalisis, which is considered to be sympathetic to the opposition and private business interests, and Social Investigation Group XXI (GIS), which is considered to be sympathetic to the government.

The GIS poll, which surveyed 2,500 Venezuelans at the end of April, reported that 67.1 percent of respondents said Chávez's management of the country has been "good" or "very good," while 21 percent said it has been "bad" or "very bad," and 11.9 percent said it has been "regular."

If a presidential election were held tomorrow, 53.4 percent of respondents said they would vote for Chávez, while 32.5 percent said they would vote for the opposition, according to GIS.

The Datanalisis poll, which surveyed 1,300 Venezuelans in March, showed Chávez's approval rating to be 61 percent.

Both Datanalisis and GIS attributed Chávez's popularity at least in part to the maintenance of the government's educational, cultural, health, and other social programs amidst the world economic downturn.

Regarding the economic situation of the country, 44.8 percent of respondents to the GIS poll projected that it will be "better" or "much better" in one year, while 29.6 percent said it will be "worse" or "much worse."

When GIS asked Venezuelans what their personal economic situation will be like in one year, 70.6 percent of respondents said it would be "better" or "much better."

54.6 percent of respondents said the world economic crisis has affected them "little" or "not at all," while 35 percent responded that it has affected them "a lot" or "significantly."

According to the Datanalisis poll, 83 percent of respondents said private property should be protected in Venezuela, and 57 percent said they believe the Chávez government respects private property. The Venezuelan constitution guarantees the sanctity of private property, and the Chavez government has promoted the creation of businesses and other associations based on new forms of social and collective property.

Also, 80 percent of Venezuelans do not favor the Cuban political system, and 60 percent said they do not believe the Chávez government is trying to build the Cuban model in Venezuela, Datanalisis reported. Venezuelan opposition leaders and the private media frequently allege that the Chávez government is attempting to set up the Cuban political system in Venezuela.

Similar to last year, crime based insecurity continues to be perceived as the principal problem affecting the country. 77.1 percent of respondents to the GIS poll and 53.8 percent of respondents to the Datanalisis poll said insecurity was the biggest problem in Venezuela.

Datanalisis is considered to be sympathetic to the opposition and rarely releases poll results that are favorable to the Chávez government. The current director of GIS, José Vielma Mora, previously ran Venezuela's national customs service. The former director of GIS, Nelson Merentes, was Chávez's finance minister and now directs the Central Bank of Venezuela.
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/8536/

... not that I have any illusions that you give a fuck about what the Venezuelans think about Chavez or THEIR country.

In the midst of corporate rape of the US Treasury and a lock on American politics and government .. all of which you support .. I'm sure the Venezualan people are real concerned about what an idiot like you thinks of THEIR system.
 
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Would we if we nationalized them at this time? I haven't been keeping up with Chavez lately, too much going on here, but is what he is doing any different than what we would do if we nationalized to save our asses?
 
blackascoal said:
Here's part of the story you left out ...

Polls Show Economic Optimism and Strong Support for Venezuelan President

Mérida, May 15th 2009 (Venezuelanalysis.com) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez's approval rating remains above 60 percent, according to recent polls by Datanalisis, which is considered to be sympathetic to the opposition and private business interests, and Social Investigation Group XXI (GIS), which is considered to be sympathetic to the government.

The GIS poll, which surveyed 2,500 Venezuelans at the end of April, reported that 67.1 percent of respondents said Chávez's management of the country has been "good" or "very good," while 21 percent said it has been "bad" or "very bad," and 11.9 percent said it has been "regular."

If a presidential election were held tomorrow, 53.4 percent of respondents said they would vote for Chávez, while 32.5 percent said they would vote for the opposition, according to GIS.

The Datanalisis poll, which surveyed 1,300 Venezuelans in March, showed Chávez's approval rating to be 61 percent.

Both Datanalisis and GIS attributed Chávez's popularity at least in part to the maintenance of the government's educational, cultural, health, and other social programs amidst the world economic downturn.

Regarding the economic situation of the country, 44.8 percent of respondents to the GIS poll projected that it will be "better" or "much better" in one year, while 29.6 percent said it will be "worse" or "much worse."

When GIS asked Venezuelans what their personal economic situation will be like in one year, 70.6 percent of respondents said it would be "better" or "much better."

54.6 percent of respondents said the world economic crisis has affected them "little" or "not at all," while 35 percent responded that it has affected them "a lot" or "significantly."

According to the Datanalisis poll, 83 percent of respondents said private property should be protected in Venezuela, and 57 percent said they believe the Chávez government respects private property. The Venezuelan constitution guarantees the sanctity of private property, and the Chavez government has promoted the creation of businesses and other associations based on new forms of social and collective property.

Also, 80 percent of Venezuelans do not favor the Cuban political system, and 60 percent said they do not believe the Chávez government is trying to build the Cuban model in Venezuela, Datanalisis reported. Venezuelan opposition leaders and the private media frequently allege that the Chávez government is attempting to set up the Cuban political system in Venezuela.

Similar to last year, crime based insecurity continues to be perceived as the principal problem affecting the country. 77.1 percent of respondents to the GIS poll and 53.8 percent of respondents to the Datanalisis poll said insecurity was the biggest problem in Venezuela.

Datanalisis is considered to be sympathetic to the opposition and rarely releases poll results that are favorable to the Chávez government. The current director of GIS, José Vielma Mora, previously ran Venezuela's national customs service. The former director of GIS, Nelson Merentes, was Chávez's finance minister and now directs the Central Bank of Venezuela.
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/8536/

... not that I have any illusions that you give a fuck about what the Venezuelans think about Chavez or THEIR country.

In the midst of corporate rape of the US Treasury and a lock on American politics and government .. all of which you support .. I'm sure the Venezualan people are real concerned about what an idiot like you thinks of THEIR system.
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You are right. I take it all back. Bad dictators NEVER have the popular support of their people. /idiocy
 
bravo said:
Stealing companies is the subject at hand....

You defend a dictator that undeniably stole and nationalized companys....(I don't need to prove whats obvious, like the earth is round either)

I just point out a domestic thief stealing the car company...firing its CEO, then giving a part of that company to a union...and as icing on this little dessert..giving them $15 billion of taxpayers money....
Really, I shouldn't have to explain everything to you, Skippy...
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:rolleyes: You neocon blowhards have a nasty penchant for presenting your opinion, claims and assertions as Fact.

Topspin made a claim of theft....I asked for proof of such beyond the article presented. To date, nothing.

You and two other neocon buffoons keep parroting a statement that has no logical proof, just your opinion. Newsflash: that only sells to willfully ignorant folk who don't like their beliefs disturbed by pesky facts.

Oh, and your "explanation" is basically regurgitation of your previous BS....that doesn't cut it in the real world bunky. Just go ask your high school teacher. Carry on.
 
blackascoal said:
Here's part of the story you left out ...

Polls Show Economic Optimism and Strong Support for Venezuelan President

Mérida, May 15th 2009 (Venezuelanalysis.com) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez's approval rating remains above 60 percent, according to recent polls by Datanalisis, which is considered to be sympathetic to the opposition and private business interests, and Social Investigation Group XXI (GIS), which is considered to be sympathetic to the government.

The GIS poll, which surveyed 2,500 Venezuelans at the end of April, reported that 67.1 percent of respondents said Chávez's management of the country has been "good" or "very good," while 21 percent said it has been "bad" or "very bad," and 11.9 percent said it has been "regular."

If a presidential election were held tomorrow, 53.4 percent of respondents said they would vote for Chávez, while 32.5 percent said they would vote for the opposition, according to GIS.

The Datanalisis poll, which surveyed 1,300 Venezuelans in March, showed Chávez's approval rating to be 61 percent.

Both Datanalisis and GIS attributed Chávez's popularity at least in part to the maintenance of the government's educational, cultural, health, and other social programs amidst the world economic downturn.

Regarding the economic situation of the country, 44.8 percent of respondents to the GIS poll projected that it will be "better" or "much better" in one year, while 29.6 percent said it will be "worse" or "much worse."

When GIS asked Venezuelans what their personal economic situation will be like in one year, 70.6 percent of respondents said it would be "better" or "much better."

54.6 percent of respondents said the world economic crisis has affected them "little" or "not at all," while 35 percent responded that it has affected them "a lot" or "significantly."

According to the Datanalisis poll, 83 percent of respondents said private property should be protected in Venezuela, and 57 percent said they believe the Chávez government respects private property. The Venezuelan constitution guarantees the sanctity of private property, and the Chavez government has promoted the creation of businesses and other associations based on new forms of social and collective property.

Also, 80 percent of Venezuelans do not favor the Cuban political system, and 60 percent said they do not believe the Chávez government is trying to build the Cuban model in Venezuela, Datanalisis reported. Venezuelan opposition leaders and the private media frequently allege that the Chávez government is attempting to set up the Cuban political system in Venezuela.

Similar to last year, crime based insecurity continues to be perceived as the principal problem affecting the country. 77.1 percent of respondents to the GIS poll and 53.8 percent of respondents to the Datanalisis poll said insecurity was the biggest problem in Venezuela.

Datanalisis is considered to be sympathetic to the opposition and rarely releases poll results that are favorable to the Chávez government. The current director of GIS, José Vielma Mora, previously ran Venezuela's national customs service. The former director of GIS, Nelson Merentes, was Chávez's finance minister and now directs the Central Bank of Venezuela.
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/8536/

... not that I have any illusions that you give a fuck about what the Venezuelans think about Chavez or THEIR country.

In the midst of corporate rape of the US Treasury and a lock on American politics and government .. all of which you support .. I'm sure the Venezualan people are real concerned about what an idiot like you thinks of THEIR system.
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Isn't it amazing how the anti-Chavez folk on these boards scream "dictator" while totally ignoring the FACT that Chavez was duly elected to replace the oligarchy that previously ran Venezuela? His moving profits to better the masses is overlooked because the previous folk that didn't does this are wailing like stuck pigs. TFB. Chavez is no saint and will make mistakes, but his people are grateful.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Isn't it amazing how the anti-Chavez folk on these boards scream "dictator" while totally ignoring the FACT that Chavez was duly elected to replace the oligarchy that previously ran Venezuela? His stealing profits to better the masses is overlooked because the previous folk that didn't does this are wailing like stuck pigs. TFB. Chavez is no saint and will make mistakes, but his people are grateful.
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Fixed.

Its called "theft" when you do this kind of thing. The people are always greatful when you hand out money. That's why every democracy inevitably fails, because it is vulnerable to mass theft via voting money from the treasury and/or wealthy down to the masses.
 
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Isn't it amazing how the anti-Chavez folk on these boards scream "dictator" while totally ignoring the FACT that Chavez was duly elected to replace the oligarchy that previously ran Venezuela? His stealing profits to better the masses is overlooked because the previous folk that didn't does this are wailing like stuck pigs. TFB. Chavez is no saint and will make mistakes, but his people are grateful.


Threedee said:
Fixed.

Its called "theft" when you do this kind of thing. The people are always greatful when you hand out money. That's why every democracy inevitably fails, because it is vulnerable to mass theft via voting money from the treasury and/or wealthy down to the masses.
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Here's what I originally stated.

Isn't it amazing how the anti-Chavez folk on these boards scream "dictator" while totally ignoring the FACT that Chavez was duly elected to replace the oligarchy that previously ran Venezuela? His moving profits to better the masses is overlooked because the previous folk that didn't does this are wailing like stuck pigs. TFB. Chavez is no saint and will make mistakes, but his people are grateful.

Like a typical defeated neocon clown, you lie about what others write to try and bolster your own opinion. Grow up, will ya? Unless you can PROVE theft, you're just blowing smoke.
 
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Isn't it amazing how the anti-Chavez folk on these boards scream "dictator" while totally ignoring the FACT that Chavez was duly elected to replace the oligarchy that previously ran Venezuela? His stealing profits to better the masses is overlooked because the previous folk that didn't does this are wailing like stuck pigs. TFB. Chavez is no saint and will make mistakes, but his people are grateful.




Here's what I originally stated.

Isn't it amazing how the anti-Chavez folk on these boards scream "dictator" while totally ignoring the FACT that Chavez was duly elected to replace the oligarchy that previously ran Venezuela? His moving profits to better the masses is overlooked because the previous folk that didn't does this are wailing like stuck pigs. TFB. Chavez is no saint and will make mistakes, but his people are grateful.

Like a typical defeated neocon clown, you lie about what others write to try and bolster your own opinion. Grow up, will ya? Unless you can PROVE theft, you're just blowing smoke.
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I'm beginning to like pinheads like you....my superiority complex is at an all time high....:321::321::321:Its like a shot of fine whiskey......

I can't help but wonder what you might be when you grow up.....maybe a fireman or a butcher...?
 
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bravo said:
I'm beginning to like pinheads like you....my superiority complex is at an all time high....:321::321::321:Its like a shot of fine whiskey......

I can't help but wonder what you might be when you grow up.....maybe a fireman or a butcher...?
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Translation: another neocon half-wit that cannot meet a simple burden of proof.

When ANY of you neocon dimbulbs can prove "theft", let me know...then we might have a discussion.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Translation: another neocon half-wit that cannot meet a simple burden of proof.

When ANY of you neocon dimbulbs can prove "theft", let me know...then we might have a discussion.
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But sissie; using the "logic" that you yourself have tried to promote, just because it can't be proven doesn't mean that it didn't happen.


GAWD THAT FELT GOOD.
Was it good for you also??
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
But sissie; (illiteracy is a sad thing to see) using the "logic" that you yourself have tried to promote, just because it can't be proven doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Sorry, but you're confused as usual....your buddy made a statement without proof. If you've got it, give it. If not, continuing to flail away....I'll just watch the show.


GAWD THAT FELT GOOD.
Was it good for you also??
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:corn:
 
maybe a fireman or a butcher...? ....on careful consideration, probably neither...

I think maybe Tai would rather follow the trail blazed by Monica....apparently well on the way to earning those prized "Democratic Kneepads" and already so adapt at swallowing their load no matter how it smells.....a natural....
Your success is surely guaranteed....
 
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