Bad News For Democrats Equals Good News For The Country

That’s that problem, Dumas. People who wish to vote by mail in some states aren’t allowed to do so, they should be allowed to do so, they don’t need an excuse, except their right to vote.
Where can't you vote by absentee ballot?
("Dumas"...very smart and witty;)
 
If you can peacefully protest, attend memorial services, riot and loot, etc. you can go to the polls...with an ID...

And how about the rest of us? Why do you want to make it more difficult for the rest of us to vote? What's in it for you?
 
Where can't you vote by absentee ballot?

That is correct. In many states, requesting an absentee ballot requires a specific reason, and Republicans are already saying that fear of Covid is not a valid reason. Because they want to do everything they can to suppress the vote.
 
That is correct. In many states, requesting an absentee ballot requires a specific reason, and Republicans are already saying that fear of Covid is not a valid reason. Because they want to do everything they can to suppress the vote.
Give a valid reason...get a ballot....
I think if you're afraid to leave the house, you should be able to get one...and it should be delivered to you in a vacuum sealed protective bag;)
 
I know you didn't. Because you're a troll that doesn't say anything. I guess this is more proof that you're a troll that doesn't say anything. Duly noted.

Good. Put me on ignore and don't reply to me, socko.
 
There is no widespread voter fraud. Illegal aliens don't vote in any material numbers. That narrative is a lie.

To Concart: My response is an assortment of known-facts —— not opinion. Today’s news prompted a look at your talking points.

Radicalized district attorneys in cities across America are putting violent rioters and looters back on the streets, and letting other hardened criminals walk. More than anyone, one man is responsible for this outrage: Billionaire socialist George Soros.


Riots, Brought To You By District Attorneys Who Won’t Prosecute
I & I Editorial Board
June 5, 2020

https://issuesinsights.com/2020/06/...rict-attorneys-campaigns-yields-bitter-fruit/

Remember the Secretary of State Project (SOSP):

George Soros Still Quietly Buying District Attorneys’ Seats
Peter Hasson
Associate Editor
10:06 PM 05/18/2017

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/18/george-soros-still-quietly-buying-district-attorneys-seats/

Next, George Soros paid for the strategy that began registering illegal aliens so they could vote:

NEW YORK – George Soros influenced the Obama administration’s decision to redefine the flood of illegal immigration in 2014 from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador as a “refugee crisis” rather than a criminal-justice issue, according to internal documents from Soros-run organizations released by the “hacktivist” group DCLeaks.

Soros called for the establishment of U.S. immigration processing centers in each of the three Central American countries to transport “migrant refugees” to the United States at American taxpayer expense, emphasizing the dangers faced by “unaccompanied minors” trying to cross the border and the need to reunite families.


Soros behind policy that made illegals 'refugees'
Posted By Jerome R. Corsi On 08/16/2016 @ 7:49 pm

http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/soros-behind-policy-that-made-illegals-refugees/

Next step:

Network will focus on pushing back against voter laws leading up to the 2018 and 2020 elections


New $80M Anti-Trump Network Spearheaded by Soros-Funded Org With Former ACORN Employees
BY: Joe Schoffstall
May 27, 2017 5:00 am

http://freebeacon.com/issues/soros-funded-anti-trump-network-has-acorn-ties/

NOTE:
ACORN changed its name. In addition to ACORN receiving tax dollar funding under new names it is safe to say that Soros will take a tax deduction for every penny he lays out:


HUD Still Funds ACORN Affiliate Despite Ban
Posted on July 20, 2011
by Carl Horowitz

http://nlpc.org/2011/07/20/hud-still-funds-acorn-housing-affiliate-despite-ban/


XXXXX


Report: ACORN network still active under new names
By Sean Higgins
8/22/12 12:00 AM

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/report-acorn-network-still-active-under-new-names/article/2505629

XXXXX


The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now went bankrupt in 2010 after 40 years of systematic voter fraud, corruption, and theft. ACORN was convicted of a species of electoral fraud in Nevada and laid the foundation for the Left’s vote-manufacturing complex. Barack Obama trained ACORN organizers and represented it in court as its lawyer.

But rumors of ACORN’s death have been exaggerated. The left-wing urban terrorist group that became synonymous with sleaze and corruption when its employees were shown encouraging illegal behavior in the “pimp and prostitute” videos of 2009 never really went away. While ACORN declared bankruptcy after losing its federal funding, its state chapters were busy changing their names and shredding documents.



Former ACORN officials running new $80M anti-Trump network
By Matthew Vadum ——
May 31, 2017

http://canadafreepress.com/article/former-acorn-officials-running-new-80m-anti-trump-network

XXXXX

Voter fraud has been in the works for years. At least 52 employees of the left wing group ACORN have been convicted of voter registration fraud. ACORN itself was convicted of the crime of "compensation," paying its registration canvassers bonuses to exceed their quotas. In 2008, 36% of ACORN's voter registrations were invalidated. Left wing political pundit Chris Matthews admitted last year that pretending to call someone from a polling company, then voting their ballot for them, has been happening in big cities since the 1950's. He admitted he knows that kind of voter fraud takes place in Philadelphia.



Obama Likely Won Re-Election Through Election Fraud
Rachel Alexander
Posted: Nov 11, 2012 12:01 AM

http://townhall.com/columnists/rach..._likely_won_reelection_through_election_fraud

XXXXX

So far this year, at least 18 former workers have admitted guilt or been convicted on varying charges of election fraud. The punishment has ranged from probation to several months of prison time.



18 Former ACORN Workers Have Been Convicted or Admitted Guilt in Election Fraud
Published November 26, 2010

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-convicted-admitted-guilt-election-fraud.html

Despite of all of the support Hillary got from George Soros she truly believes that she won the popular vote because Soros’ money and machinery did not buy illegal votes for her. In Hillaryworld this comment stands out as her most surreal comment:


“If the election had been on October 27,” she said, “I’d be your president.”


Hillary Clinton Is Furious. And Resigned. And Funny. And Worried.
The surreal post-election life of the woman who would have been president.
By Rebecca Traister

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/hillary-clinton-life-after-election.html

XXXXX


Soros has donated or committed more than $25 million to boost Hillary Clinton and other Democratic candidates and causes, according to Federal Election Commission records and interviews with his associates and Democratic fundraising operatives. And some of his associates say they expect Soros, who amassed a fortune estimated at $24.9 billion through risky currency trades, to give even more as Election Day nears.


George Soros backing Hillary with $25 million
Billionaire quietly reemerges as leading funder of Democrat politics
Published: 07/27/2016 at 3:50 PM

http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/george-soros-backing-hillary-with-25-million/

Hillary not only got million of dollars from Soros, there is no telling how many illegal votes Soros’ money paid for. Democrat Party operatives in the trenches get out illegal alien voters that appear to come from one pot.

There is such a long association between the Democrat Party and rigged elections it is impossible to identify which Democrat first claimed Russia stole the election from Hillary Clinton:


Long before an outsider captured American hearts with a promise to ‘Make America Great Again’, driving the global elite-led Democrats into the most frenzied of exiles, the same progressives who accuse the President Donald Trump administration of “colluding with Russia” had already sold America out to the Russians.

“Within two years of Gorbachev’s ‘ouster’ (from the Soviet Union) Gorbachev Foundation/USA had moved into the disused military offices of the Presidio in San Francisco. There, with the fantastic view of the Bay to cheer him, Gorbachev set about his new role in earnest”, (Ken Raggio)

Gorbachev, on the public record for loathing the United States, and who has NEVER renounced Communism, was handed a no holds barred mission of closing down American military bases, and did so from American pre-funded Presidio headquarters.


Russia didn’t steal Election 2016, the Democrats handed America to them in the 1990s
By Judi McLeod
May 30, 2017

http://canadafreepress.com/article/...16-the-democrats-handed-america-to-them-in-th

Finally:

Since George Soros is a big time Democrat Party supporter, and a naturalized American citizen subject to deportation, you can bet that neither the House nor the Senate will investigate this:

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...htier-Than-George-Soros&p=3247411#post3247411
 
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To Concart: My response is an assortment of known-facts —— not opinion. Today’s news prompted a look at your talking points.

Radicalized district attorneys in cities across America are putting violent rioters and looters back on the streets, and letting other hardened criminals walk. More than anyone, one man is responsible for this outrage: Billionaire socialist George Soros.


Riots, Brought To You By District Attorneys Who Won’t Prosecute
I & I Editorial Board
June 5, 2020

https://issuesinsights.com/2020/06/...rict-attorneys-campaigns-yields-bitter-fruit/

Remember the Secretary of State Project (SOSP):

George Soros Still Quietly Buying District Attorneys’ Seats
Peter Hasson
Associate Editor
10:06 PM 05/18/2017

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/18/george-soros-still-quietly-buying-district-attorneys-seats/

Next, George Soros paid for the strategy that began registering illegal aliens so they could vote:

NEW YORK – George Soros influenced the Obama administration’s decision to redefine the flood of illegal immigration in 2014 from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador as a “refugee crisis” rather than a criminal-justice issue, according to internal documents from Soros-run organizations released by the “hacktivist” group DCLeaks.

Soros called for the establishment of U.S. immigration processing centers in each of the three Central American countries to transport “migrant refugees” to the United States at American taxpayer expense, emphasizing the dangers faced by “unaccompanied minors” trying to cross the border and the need to reunite families.


Soros behind policy that made illegals 'refugees'
Posted By Jerome R. Corsi On 08/16/2016 @ 7:49 pm

http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/soros-behind-policy-that-made-illegals-refugees/

Next step:

Network will focus on pushing back against voter laws leading up to the 2018 and 2020 elections


New $80M Anti-Trump Network Spearheaded by Soros-Funded Org With Former ACORN Employees
BY: Joe Schoffstall
May 27, 2017 5:00 am

http://freebeacon.com/issues/soros-funded-anti-trump-network-has-acorn-ties/

NOTE:
ACORN changed its name. In addition to ACORN receiving tax dollar funding under new names it is safe to say that Soros will take a tax deduction for every penny he lays out:


HUD Still Funds ACORN Affiliate Despite Ban
Posted on July 20, 2011
by Carl Horowitz

http://nlpc.org/2011/07/20/hud-still-funds-acorn-housing-affiliate-despite-ban/


XXXXX


Report: ACORN network still active under new names
By Sean Higgins
8/22/12 12:00 AM

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/report-acorn-network-still-active-under-new-names/article/2505629

XXXXX


The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now went bankrupt in 2010 after 40 years of systematic voter fraud, corruption, and theft. ACORN was convicted of a species of electoral fraud in Nevada and laid the foundation for the Left’s vote-manufacturing complex. Barack Obama trained ACORN organizers and represented it in court as its lawyer.

But rumors of ACORN’s death have been exaggerated. The left-wing urban terrorist group that became synonymous with sleaze and corruption when its employees were shown encouraging illegal behavior in the “pimp and prostitute” videos of 2009 never really went away. While ACORN declared bankruptcy after losing its federal funding, its state chapters were busy changing their names and shredding documents.



Former ACORN officials running new $80M anti-Trump network
By Matthew Vadum ——
May 31, 2017

http://canadafreepress.com/article/former-acorn-officials-running-new-80m-anti-trump-network

XXXXX

Voter fraud has been in the works for years. At least 52 employees of the left wing group ACORN have been convicted of voter registration fraud. ACORN itself was convicted of the crime of "compensation," paying its registration canvassers bonuses to exceed their quotas. In 2008, 36% of ACORN's voter registrations were invalidated. Left wing political pundit Chris Matthews admitted last year that pretending to call someone from a polling company, then voting their ballot for them, has been happening in big cities since the 1950's. He admitted he knows that kind of voter fraud takes place in Philadelphia.



Obama Likely Won Re-Election Through Election Fraud
Rachel Alexander
Posted: Nov 11, 2012 12:01 AM

http://townhall.com/columnists/rach..._likely_won_reelection_through_election_fraud

XXXXX

So far this year, at least 18 former workers have admitted guilt or been convicted on varying charges of election fraud. The punishment has ranged from probation to several months of prison time.



18 Former ACORN Workers Have Been Convicted or Admitted Guilt in Election Fraud
Published November 26, 2010

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-convicted-admitted-guilt-election-fraud.html

Despite of all of the support Hillary got from George Soros she truly believes that she won the popular vote because Soros’ money and machinery did not buy illegal votes for her. In Hillaryworld this comment stands out as her most surreal comment:


“If the election had been on October 27,” she said, “I’d be your president.”


Hillary Clinton Is Furious. And Resigned. And Funny. And Worried.
The surreal post-election life of the woman who would have been president.
By Rebecca Traister

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/hillary-clinton-life-after-election.html

XXXXX


Soros has donated or committed more than $25 million to boost Hillary Clinton and other Democratic candidates and causes, according to Federal Election Commission records and interviews with his associates and Democratic fundraising operatives. And some of his associates say they expect Soros, who amassed a fortune estimated at $24.9 billion through risky currency trades, to give even more as Election Day nears.


George Soros backing Hillary with $25 million
Billionaire quietly reemerges as leading funder of Democrat politics
Published: 07/27/2016 at 3:50 PM

http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/george-soros-backing-hillary-with-25-million/

Hillary not only got million of dollars from Soros, there is no telling how many illegal votes Soros’ money paid for. Democrat Party operatives in the trenches get out illegal alien voters that appear to come from one pot.

There is such a long association between the Democrat Party and rigged elections it is impossible to identify which Democrat first claimed Russia stole the election from Hillary Clinton:


Long before an outsider captured American hearts with a promise to ‘Make America Great Again’, driving the global elite-led Democrats into the most frenzied of exiles, the same progressives who accuse the President Donald Trump administration of “colluding with Russia” had already sold America out to the Russians.

“Within two years of Gorbachev’s ‘ouster’ (from the Soviet Union) Gorbachev Foundation/USA had moved into the disused military offices of the Presidio in San Francisco. There, with the fantastic view of the Bay to cheer him, Gorbachev set about his new role in earnest”, (Ken Raggio)

Gorbachev, on the public record for loathing the United States, and who has NEVER renounced Communism, was handed a no holds barred mission of closing down American military bases, and did so from American pre-funded Presidio headquarters.


Russia didn’t steal Election 2016, the Democrats handed America to them in the 1990s
By Judi McLeod
May 30, 2017

http://canadafreepress.com/article/...16-the-democrats-handed-america-to-them-in-th

Finally:

Since George Soros is a big time Democrat Party supporter, and a naturalized American citizen subject to deportation, you can bet that neither the House nor the Senate will investigate this:

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...htier-Than-George-Soros&p=3247411#post3247411

Unread. Do you check for George Soros under your bed every night?
 
Because not everyone can make it to the polls on time. Many people work and aren't able to go. Many people are single parents with little kids. Many people might be out of state for various reasons. Etc., etc.

Voter fraud can happen regardless of how voting is done. Hell, Trump technically committed voter fraud recently when he claimed his residence as Mar-a-Lago in Florida, even though he resides in the White House. (Even though it was probably a mistake, he won't get prosecuted, unlike so many people who go to prison for making similar silly mistakes on their voter registration.)

Voter fraud has been investigated many, many times and it is almost non-existent. The right makes it all up so they can keep the vote down.
 
Why is it that only Democrats support mail-in (and drive through) voting?
With the exception of our military and the disabled, why can't every able-
bodied American (registered voter) go to the poll in their respective district
and vote in person? Can you answer that?

Are you familiar with Corona? The primaries could not get people to work at polls. The workers are mostly old people. many will not go to polls because of fear. Are you saying you could not figure that out?
 
To Concart: My response is an assortment of known-facts —— not opinion. Today’s news prompted a look at your talking points.

Radicalized district attorneys in cities across America are putting violent rioters and looters back on the streets, and letting other hardened criminals walk. More than anyone, one man is responsible for this outrage: Billionaire socialist George Soros.


Riots, Brought To You By District Attorneys Who Won’t Prosecute
I & I Editorial Board
June 5, 2020

https://issuesinsights.com/2020/06/...rict-attorneys-campaigns-yields-bitter-fruit/

Remember the Secretary of State Project (SOSP):

George Soros Still Quietly Buying District Attorneys’ Seats
Peter Hasson
Associate Editor
10:06 PM 05/18/2017

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/18/george-soros-still-quietly-buying-district-attorneys-seats/

Next, George Soros paid for the strategy that began registering illegal aliens so they could vote:

NEW YORK – George Soros influenced the Obama administration’s decision to redefine the flood of illegal immigration in 2014 from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador as a “refugee crisis” rather than a criminal-justice issue, according to internal documents from Soros-run organizations released by the “hacktivist” group DCLeaks.

Soros called for the establishment of U.S. immigration processing centers in each of the three Central American countries to transport “migrant refugees” to the United States at American taxpayer expense, emphasizing the dangers faced by “unaccompanied minors” trying to cross the border and the need to reunite families.


Soros behind policy that made illegals 'refugees'
Posted By Jerome R. Corsi On 08/16/2016 @ 7:49 pm

http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/soros-behind-policy-that-made-illegals-refugees/

Next step:

Network will focus on pushing back against voter laws leading up to the 2018 and 2020 elections


New $80M Anti-Trump Network Spearheaded by Soros-Funded Org With Former ACORN Employees
BY: Joe Schoffstall
May 27, 2017 5:00 am

http://freebeacon.com/issues/soros-funded-anti-trump-network-has-acorn-ties/

NOTE:
ACORN changed its name. In addition to ACORN receiving tax dollar funding under new names it is safe to say that Soros will take a tax deduction for every penny he lays out:


HUD Still Funds ACORN Affiliate Despite Ban
Posted on July 20, 2011
by Carl Horowitz

http://nlpc.org/2011/07/20/hud-still-funds-acorn-housing-affiliate-despite-ban/


XXXXX


Report: ACORN network still active under new names
By Sean Higgins
8/22/12 12:00 AM

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/report-acorn-network-still-active-under-new-names/article/2505629

XXXXX


The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now went bankrupt in 2010 after 40 years of systematic voter fraud, corruption, and theft. ACORN was convicted of a species of electoral fraud in Nevada and laid the foundation for the Left’s vote-manufacturing complex. Barack Obama trained ACORN organizers and represented it in court as its lawyer.

But rumors of ACORN’s death have been exaggerated. The left-wing urban terrorist group that became synonymous with sleaze and corruption when its employees were shown encouraging illegal behavior in the “pimp and prostitute” videos of 2009 never really went away. While ACORN declared bankruptcy after losing its federal funding, its state chapters were busy changing their names and shredding documents.



Former ACORN officials running new $80M anti-Trump network
By Matthew Vadum ——
May 31, 2017

http://canadafreepress.com/article/former-acorn-officials-running-new-80m-anti-trump-network

XXXXX

Voter fraud has been in the works for years. At least 52 employees of the left wing group ACORN have been convicted of voter registration fraud. ACORN itself was convicted of the crime of "compensation," paying its registration canvassers bonuses to exceed their quotas. In 2008, 36% of ACORN's voter registrations were invalidated. Left wing political pundit Chris Matthews admitted last year that pretending to call someone from a polling company, then voting their ballot for them, has been happening in big cities since the 1950's. He admitted he knows that kind of voter fraud takes place in Philadelphia.



Obama Likely Won Re-Election Through Election Fraud
Rachel Alexander
Posted: Nov 11, 2012 12:01 AM

http://townhall.com/columnists/rach..._likely_won_reelection_through_election_fraud

XXXXX

So far this year, at least 18 former workers have admitted guilt or been convicted on varying charges of election fraud. The punishment has ranged from probation to several months of prison time.



18 Former ACORN Workers Have Been Convicted or Admitted Guilt in Election Fraud
Published November 26, 2010

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-convicted-admitted-guilt-election-fraud.html

Despite of all of the support Hillary got from George Soros she truly believes that she won the popular vote because Soros’ money and machinery did not buy illegal votes for her. In Hillaryworld this comment stands out as her most surreal comment:


“If the election had been on October 27,” she said, “I’d be your president.”


Hillary Clinton Is Furious. And Resigned. And Funny. And Worried.
The surreal post-election life of the woman who would have been president.
By Rebecca Traister

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/hillary-clinton-life-after-election.html

XXXXX


Soros has donated or committed more than $25 million to boost Hillary Clinton and other Democratic candidates and causes, according to Federal Election Commission records and interviews with his associates and Democratic fundraising operatives. And some of his associates say they expect Soros, who amassed a fortune estimated at $24.9 billion through risky currency trades, to give even more as Election Day nears.


George Soros backing Hillary with $25 million
Billionaire quietly reemerges as leading funder of Democrat politics
Published: 07/27/2016 at 3:50 PM

http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/george-soros-backing-hillary-with-25-million/

Hillary not only got million of dollars from Soros, there is no telling how many illegal votes Soros’ money paid for. Democrat Party operatives in the trenches get out illegal alien voters that appear to come from one pot.

There is such a long association between the Democrat Party and rigged elections it is impossible to identify which Democrat first claimed Russia stole the election from Hillary Clinton:


Long before an outsider captured American hearts with a promise to ‘Make America Great Again’, driving the global elite-led Democrats into the most frenzied of exiles, the same progressives who accuse the President Donald Trump administration of “colluding with Russia” had already sold America out to the Russians.

“Within two years of Gorbachev’s ‘ouster’ (from the Soviet Union) Gorbachev Foundation/USA had moved into the disused military offices of the Presidio in San Francisco. There, with the fantastic view of the Bay to cheer him, Gorbachev set about his new role in earnest”, (Ken Raggio)

Gorbachev, on the public record for loathing the United States, and who has NEVER renounced Communism, was handed a no holds barred mission of closing down American military bases, and did so from American pre-funded Presidio headquarters.


Russia didn’t steal Election 2016, the Democrats handed America to them in the 1990s
By Judi McLeod
May 30, 2017

http://canadafreepress.com/article/...16-the-democrats-handed-america-to-them-in-th

Finally:

Since George Soros is a big time Democrat Party supporter, and a naturalized American citizen subject to deportation, you can bet that neither the House nor the Senate will investigate this:

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...htier-Than-George-Soros&p=3247411#post3247411

Wow do you buy all the righty myths? Can you analyze at all? Do you just believe Infowars at reading? Soros was the insane right boogieman until they found Antifa. Both are fabrications of the right.
 
Wow do you buy all the righty myths? Can you analyze at all? Do you just believe Infowars at reading? Soros was the insane right boogieman until they found Antifa. Both are fabrications of the right.

I read the last line, and stopped. He thinks American citizens are subject to deportation. Anyone that galactically stupid doesn't deserve a response.
 
So did I.
That "boss" would be in deep shit not allowing an American to go vote. And very few, if any, 12 hour shifts run from 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM.
No one has to "stand in line for hours" to vote (the exception, if there even is one) except with this China Virus screwing up everything.
The "screaming infant" scenario is rather silly.

Well, it must be nice to be a middle class WASP and have those luxuries.
 
Are you familiar with Corona? The primaries could not get people to work at polls. The workers are mostly old people. many will not go to polls because of fear. Are you saying you could not figure that out?

Hide in your bubble if you want, I am living my life. Yeah, I've made a few "adjustments," but not nearly enough to turn into a hermit.
Were you out protesting? Did you go to the polls, or hide in seclusion and bitch and moan like you do on this forum?
 
Well, it must be nice to be a middle class WASP and have those luxuries.

It is, actually. I retired at 58, have (just about, I may pick up another gun or two) all the toys I need to keep me busy and content. Life is pretty good, but I busted ass in my younger days to be able to get to this point.
 
It is, actually. I retired at 58, have (just about, I may pick up another gun or two) all the toys I need to keep me busy and content. Life is pretty good, but I busted ass in my younger days to be able to get to this point.

Many people "bust their ass" but not everyone receives such rewards. The thing about the higher classes is that they offer rewards that lower classes don't, and it's much harder to move from a lower to a higher class. "The American Dream" has always been bullshit unless you're a WASP who's at least middle class.

But you should know this. It's difficult to move from middle class to upper middle class, and it's much more difficult to move from poverty to lower class. It's damn near impossible to advance into the upper class for anyone who isn't already upper middle class.
 
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