Bailey Holt. 15. Say her name NRA.

domer76 said:
You said, and highlighted, ANY mental disability.

Read it yourself:

20 CFR Appendix 1 to Subpart P of Part 404, Listing of Impairments

The bottom line is this. Trump made it easier for those who are mentally ill to obtain firearms. Then you barrel-strokers hypocritically claim that mental health is the reason for these crimes, not guns.

Pathetic.
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Anxiety disorders can qualify you for disability from SSI. Combine that with using a payee, and the person's name would be submitted to NCIS.

Also, the actual mentally ill people the EO was attempting to prevent buying guns were already covered under federal law. But those people were often not reported. So, instead of pushing for, and prosecuting failures to report, Obama came up with a bandaid "cure" that did nothing that was not already covered by laws.

from:http://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/background-checks/mental-health-reporting/

"Federal Law Regarding Mental Illness and Guns

The Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibits any person from selling or otherwise transferring a firearm or ammunition to any person who has been “adjudicated as a mental defective” or “committed to any mental institution.”15 According to federal regulations, a person has been “adjudicated as a mental defective” if a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority has determined that he or she, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease meets one of the following criteria:

Is a danger to himself, herself, or others.
Lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.16

The term “adjudicated as a mental defective” is defined to explicitly include a finding of not guilty by reason of insanity or incompetence to stand trial.17

Federal regulations define a person as “committed to a mental institution” if a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority has formally committed him or her to a mental institution. The term is defined to include involuntary commitments, but does not include persons who are admitted to a mental institution voluntarily or for observation.18

States may prohibit additional categories of people from purchasing or possessing firearms on the basis of mental illness. Detailed information on these laws is contained in our summary on Categories of Prohibited People."

In the "Categories of Prohibited People" there are specific rules concerning people who are dangerously mentally ill. That certainly does not include someone with anxiety disorders.


And, once again, it is not gun people alone who opposed this. The ACLU and numerous mental health advocates.
 
domer76 said:
Wrong again, idiot. The process to have a person diagnosed with these mental disabilities is long and arduous. Experts and the courts are involved all along.

Chronically wrong, cretin.
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While it is a bit of a long process to diagnose certain mental disabilities, when applying for disability, the diagnosis is made by various mental health professionals. And they are often the same people who opposed Obama's EO. It is a long process to get disability for anxiety disorders. But those suffering from anxiety disorders are not a danger to society.
 
domer76 said:
Wrong again, idiot. The process to have a person diagnosed with these mental disabilities is long and arduous. Experts and the courts are involved all along.

Chronically wrong, cretin.
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There is no due process for being on the list retard. I read stories that many never even knew they were on the list.

Chronically Dumber
 
WinterBorn said:
While it is a bit of a long process to diagnose certain mental disabilities, when applying for disability, the diagnosis is made by various mental health professionals. And they are often the same people who opposed Obama's EO. It is a long process to get disability for anxiety disorders. But those suffering from anxiety disorders are not a danger to society.
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Yep. Diagnoses.

Spin it any way you want. Trump made it easier for those with mental disabilities to obtain guns. Under the Obama EO, those deemed incapable still had recourse.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of those crying "mental health" when those deemed mentally ill slip through the process.
 
Yaya said:
There is no due process for being on the list retard. I read stories that many never even knew they were on the list.

Chronically Dumber
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They have to be diagnosed and gone through the legal process of having a designee handle their affairs.

Fucking idiot
 
WinterBorn said:
The same "might" is used to justify removing their rights. If they have committed a violent act they are already in the NCIS.

Funny how speculation to preserve rights is bad, but speculation to take them away is just fine?
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That's not what your article said. Those people were "concerned" that the EO "might" lead to their rights being lost.

Plus, the article just deals with the narrow "financial designee" situation and avoids the bigger picture.

"they feared that using the representative payee database for prohibiting gun purchases might constitute a “thin end of the wedge” for loss of more important rights down the road."

"Advocates are also concerned that shifting names from the representative payee database into NICS might threaten the privacy rights of people with psychiatric disabilities."

"concerned that the rule lacked a solid connection to public safety and might serve to restrict the rights of people with mental disabilities in other areas."

As I said, too much speculation.
 
domer76 said:
Yep. Diagnoses.

Spin it any way you want. Trump made it easier for those with mental disabilities to obtain guns. Under the Obama EO, those deemed incapable still had recourse.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of those crying "mental health" when those deemed mentally ill slip through the process.
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Yes, they had recourse, after their rights were removed. And the recourse would probably involve hiring a lawyer to fight to regain their rights, which never should have been removed. But these are people living on SSI disability payments. I guess all that extra cash they have lying around would be put to good use, huh?

And they don't "slip through the process". They are not reported by the medical professionals, even though the law requires it. So rather than blame the NRA and Trump (although the ACLU and the mental health advocacy groups seem to have escaped your wrath), why not put the blame on the people who failed to report them as they are required to do?
 
domer76 said:
That's not what your article said. Those people were "concerned" that the EO "might" lead to their rights being lost.

Plus, the article just deals with the narrow "financial designee" situation and avoids the bigger picture.

"they feared that using the representative payee database for prohibiting gun purchases might constitute a “thin end of the wedge” for loss of more important rights down the road."

"Advocates are also concerned that shifting names from the representative payee database into NICS might threaten the privacy rights of people with psychiatric disabilities."

"concerned that the rule lacked a solid connection to public safety and might serve to restrict the rights of people with mental disabilities in other areas."

As I said, too much speculation.
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Since our entire conversation has been about what people might do, your argument should cut both ways.
 
Odd how some people want to have all these restrictions and yet rail against voter ID's; because they say it's to restrictive.

:facepalm:
 
WinterBorn said:
Yes, they had recourse, after their rights were removed. And the recourse would probably involve hiring a lawyer to fight to regain their rights, which never should have been removed. But these are people living on SSI disability payments. I guess all that extra cash they have lying around would be put to good use, huh?

And they don't "slip through the process". They are not reported by the medical professionals, even though the law requires it. So rather than blame the NRA and Trump (although the ACLU and the mental health advocacy groups seem to have escaped your wrath), why not put the blame on the people who failed to report them as they are required to do?
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lol

And "good use" would be to purchase a gun? Laughable!

Call it what you want, they still get by the firewall.

Don't cry "mental health" when you advocate the mentally disabled are more easily allowed to obtain guns.
 
domer76 said:
lol

And "good use" would be to purchase a gun? Laughable!

Call it what you want, they still get by the firewall.

Don't cry "mental health" when you advocate the mentally disabled are more easily allowed to obtain guns.
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I call it what it is. It is negligence by the people who treat the dangerously mentally ill.

The good use buying a gun makes sense. They are used hundreds of thousands of times a year to stop or prevent a crime. They are also used to put meat on the table for many people. And not just the hunters. Many who hunt donate meat to food banks and shelters.
 
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