Ban on same sex marriage ruled unconstitutional by Texas Judge

Damocles said:
And this again is a simple attempt misdirection, you are bankrupt of ideas on how to excuse the praise of government power used to support your religious doctrines.
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Again an ad-hom and no furtherance of your argument. I share the sentiments of others in disappointment.
 
WinterBorn said:
The only rational answer would be to remove the gov't (state or federal) from the process completely.
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Exactly true. The support of more government intrusion into the private lives of adults is most certainly not a "conservative" ideal. The government has no business whatsoever in supporting the religious definitions and doctrines of the majority religion through legislating the definition of choice of those who hold the majority religion. There is an Amendment against that, and another one that makes that Amendment apply to the State and Local governments as well.
 
Southern Man said:
Again an ad-hom and no furtherance of your argument. I share the sentiments of others in disappointment.
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It isn't an ad hom to discuss your position and point out how your argument appears, or do you need me to quote your post that said that previously in this thread?

I did notice you again tried to misdirect and make the argument personal. You are still bankrupt of ideas on how to continue excusing your support of government intrusion in the name of your religious doctrine. I am embarrassed for you.
 
Damocles said:
It isn't an ad hom to discuss your position and point out how your argument appears, or do you need me to quote your post that said that previously in this thread?

I did notice you again tried to misdirect and make the argument personal. You are still bankrupt of ideas on how to support your worship of government intrusions.
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Why not address the base argument instead of arguing interpretations of irrelevant matters?
 
Southern Man said:
The Amendment 14 issue has been addressed previously. The NC Constitution still states we are a Cristian State.
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It doesn't matter what it states, it simply cannot support your religion of choice over another's beliefs. Amendment 14 applies, the 1st Amendment is most certainly "incorporated". It applies throughout, your State is not a "Christian State" even with historical references from before the Civil War in the documents. It is what it was not what it is... You have a fundamental disconnect with the present when speaking of rights.
 
Southern Man said:
Why not address the base argument instead of arguing interpretations of irrelevant matters?
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Because it isn't irrelevant. You support the law solely because it supports your religious doctrine. Were the same people to exercise that same power in a way that didn't support your religious doctrine you would be apoplectic.
 
Damocles said:
Because it isn't irrelevant. You support the law solely because it supports your religious doctrine. Were the same people to exercise that same power in a way that didn't support your religious doctrine you would be apoplectic.
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Another ad-hom.
 
Damocles said:
It doesn't matter what it states, it simply cannot support your religion of choice over another's beliefs. Amendment 14 applies, the 1st Amendment is most certainly "incorporated". It applies throughout, your State is not a "Christian State" even with historical references from before the Civil War in the documents. It is what it was not what it is... You have a fundamental disconnect with the present when speaking of rights.
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Amendment I restricts Congress, not the States. The fact that NC is a Christian State makes it compliant with the civil rights implications of Amendment XIV.
 
Southern Man said:
Another ad-hom.
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Again, restating your position is not an ad hom (something you actually stated earlier in this same thread), repeating such assertions just continues to prove that you are bankrupt of ideas to support your position any longer.
 
Damocles said:
Again, restating your position is not an ad hom (again something you actually stated earlier), repeating such assertions just continues to prove that you are bankrupt of ideas to support your position any longer.
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Again, continuing this ad-hom only suggests further that you don't have a valid argument. The Southern Man repeats his earlier sentiment of disappointment.
 
Southern Man said:
Amendment I restricts Congress, not the States. The fact that NC is a Christian State makes it compliant with the civil rights implications of Amendment XIV.
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No, it restricts all legislative bodies because of Amendment 14. You are simply wrong. NC is not a Christian State, states can no longer be officially of any religion. I guarantee you that if the State tried to assert that religion as the official religion of the state it would lose every time in court.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
this is false so long as states do not have to recognize the 2nd Amendment.
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Hence my mention of "incorporation" earlier. While I disagree wholeheartedly with that fabricated ruling of "incorporation", Amendment 1 is most certainly incorporated. The states have no "right" or "power" to define a religious ceremony.
 
Southern Man said:
Amendment I restricts Congress, not the States. The fact that NC is a Christian State makes it compliant with the civil rights implications of Amendment XIV.
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The SCOTUS has consistently said that states cannot favor any religion over any others.

The example I have already used was Roy Moore's use of the 10 commandments monument.
 
Damocles said:
No, it restricts all legislative bodies because of Amendment 14. You are simply wrong. NC is not a Christian State, states can no longer be officially of any religion. I guarantee you that if the State tried to assert that religion as the official religion of the state it would lose every time in court.
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You can guarantee all you want but as I already explained the Feds are outside of their jurisdiction on this issue.
 
WinterBorn said:
The SCOTUS has consistently said that states cannot favor any religion over any others.

The example I have already used was Roy Moore's use of the 10 commandments monument.
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Sorry pal but as I've already shown NC has Christianity spelled out in its Constitution, latest version, 1971.
 
Southern Man said:
Sorry pal but as I've already shown NC has Christianity spelled out in its Constitution, latest version, 1971.
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Congrats on that piece of paper. It is essentially meaningless, since the first attempt to enforce it or use it would result in the federal gov't making NC back down and then change it.
 
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