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Again, NC is tolerant of non-Christians because it is a Christian State. All we ask is that office holders have a belief in God, since He is the justification for our break with the English king. There is no litmus test for Christianity or belief in the God of Abraham, but you must believe that rights are bestowed upon men equally by God, and that governments are made by man and therefore subservient to him.
 
Southern Man said:
Again, NC is tolerant of non-Christians because it is a Christian State. All we ask is that office holders have a belief in God, since He is the justification for our break with the English king. There is no litmus test for Christianity or belief in the God of Abraham, but you must believe that rights are bestowed upon men equally by God, and that governments are made by man and therefore subservient to him.
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Except the US Supreme Court has routinely ruled against such laws.

"In a unanimous decision in 1961, the Supreme Court reuled that Maryland's religious test violated Torcaso's religious freedom.

In his majority opinion, Justice Black stated that the need to protect people from taking religious test oaths was what led to the creation of Article 37 of the Constitution:

No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

From: http://atheism.about.com/library/decisions/religion/bl_l_TorcasoWatkins.htm
 
Southern Man said:
Unless you have anything new to add, I feel no need to repeating my answers to your repeated positions.
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"No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

There is nothing you can say that will justify your position that the requirement listed in the NC constitution is legal.

I understand that you have no argument.



So we can end this. But hopefully someone in NC will get elected or appointed to office and test the resolve of the state. I will enjoy watching another illegal law fold up.
 
re⋅li⋅gion
  /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ [ri-lij-uhn]

–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic. religious rites.
8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
—Idiom
9. get religion, Informal.
a. to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
b. to resolve to mend one's errant ways: The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion

The NC Constitution disqualifies office holders "who shall deny the being of Almighty God". That is not a religious test and is therefore in complete accordance with the US Constitution.
 
Southern Man said:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion

The NC Constitution disqualifies office holders "who shall deny the being of Almighty God". That is not a religious test and is therefore in complete accordance with the US Constitution.
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The entire belief in God is a religious test.

"1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."


An atheist would be disqualified based on his lack of religious beliefs. The belief is God is a religious belief.
 
Southern Man said:
Not according to all 10 definitions of religion.
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If you are now trying to claim that a belief in "Almighty God" is not a religious belief, you have either an idiot or your ego will absolutely not allow you to admit you are wrong.
 
Read the definition of religion again, all ten of them, and demonstrate how any one of them supports your argument.
 
Southern Man said:
Read the definition of religion again, all ten of them, and demonstrate how any one of them supports your argument.
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"1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."

The belief in Almighty God is part of that system. It is the most important part.


In fact, as has already been demonstrated, the requirement of belief in Almighty God is unconstitutional.
 
Southern Man said:
Again, acknowledging "the being of Almighty God" not a "set of beliefs". Don't you have another argument?
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It is indeed a religious belief. You are splitting hairs because you have no rational argument against the fact the restriction based on religious beliefs is unconstitutional.

Maryland had the very same restriction in their state constitution and it was struck down the first time they tried to use it. Which is what I (and Damo) have argued would happen if NC ever tried to enforce it.

It is an unenforceable law.
 
Had I not been involved in a major project, I would caught this sooner.

SM, you posted the definition for "religion". But that is not what the constitution says.

As I quoted above, "No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

The word used was "religious", not "religion". You were not arguing based on fact. You were attempting to save face by deceitful means.

"re⋅li⋅gious  /rɪˈlɪdʒəs/
–adjective
1. of, pertaining to, or concerned with religion: a religious holiday.
2. imbued with or exhibiting religion; pious; devout; godly: a religious man.
3. scrupulously faithful; conscientious: religious care.
4. pertaining to or connected with a monastic or religious order.
5. appropriate to religion or to sacred rites or observances.
–noun 6. a member of a religious order, congregation, etc.; a monk, friar, or nun.
7. the religious, devout or religious persons: Each year, thousands of the religious make pilgrimages to the shrine."


And barring people from office for "denying the being of Almighty God" is indeed a religious test.
 
I'm not splitting hairs here at all, but obviously you are: the adjective of the word has a similar meaning to its noun. So again, acknowledging "the being of Almighty God" not a "set of beliefs". Unless you have another argument I'd suggest that you get back to work on your project and avoid Solitary's fate.
 
Southern Man said:
I'm not splitting hairs here at all, but obviously you are: the adjective of the word has a similar meaning to its noun. So again, acknowledging "the being of Almighty God" not a "set of beliefs". Unless you have another argument I'd suggest that you get back to work on your project and avoid Solitary's fate.
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A religion is a set of beliefs. A religious belief is a singular belief that is part of your religion.

Acknowledging the being of Almighty God is a religious belief.

I have presented several arguments. All of them on topic and accurate. You, on the other hand, have done nothing but dance, dodge, and deny reality.

My project is going quite well, and should be very lucrative. Thanks for your concern, false though it may be.
 
Since you don't seem to have anything more to add and have resorted to false claims I'll let you have the last word.
 
Southern Man said:
Since you don't seem to have anything more to add and have resorted to false claims I'll let you have the last word.
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Translation:

I've run out of any more ideas other than what I've stated erroneously billions of times, so I'll pretend it is you who is bankrupt of ideas.
 
Southern Man said:
Since you don't seem to have anything more to add and have resorted to false claims I'll let you have the last word.
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:rofl:

This has become your way of saying "I cannot think of any way to counter your argument, so I will leave rather than admit I am wrong".

You would only acknowledge the being of Almighty God if you believed in the Almighty God. It is a religious belief and you know it.

Maybe someday you will be man enough to admit when you are wrong. Or maybe not.
 
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