Well Jimmy you show me the law that says the President can kill a US citizen without a fair trial.
Barr blasts FBI’s Trump probe, accuses investigators of ‘gross abuse’
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No No No I'm not going to let you off the hook that easy. WHY didn't you call for Obama's impeachment for Obstruction of Congress and for Abuse of power? You explain that first just so I know if I'm talking to a hypocrite or not. Go..
jimmymccready
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So the next time the President decides he does not like you and decides he wants to kill you he is justified killing you WITHOUT giving you a fair trial first?
I agree with you the guy was a slim ball but in America were don't kill Americans without a trial. You know the Constitution frowns on that kind of thing.
Yeah, we can kill them in combat zones. We can blow up the house if they won't come out. We can send in an autobomb like we did in Dallas.
You have no idea at all.
jimmymccready
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Fastlane, is on the hook, people, not PoliTaker, who has corrected him time and again. All Fastlane can say is "nuh uh."
PoliTalker
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Hello FastLane,
I'm glad you've joined the discussions and have observed my request to keep things respectful. Civil debate is most welcome. Thank you. I look forward to more.
Everyone has political bias to some extent. It is up to each of us to recognize it and try to see beyond it. Obama's action there could certainly be seen as obstruction. But I don't see it as serious enough to warrant impeachment. And apparently Congress did not think so either as no impeachment inquiry was passed. If you are attempting to establish that this means obstruction of Congress is now OK, possibly attempting to establish that two wrongs make a right, then I disagree. There are degrees of seriousness to misconduct. In Obama's case the fast and furious operation was an attempt to serve the Constitution and track the criminals through their weapons. It was ill conceived and went awry, but their hearts were in the right place and they were attempting to serve their country in the best way they could. In the case of President Trump is has become obvious that he was serving himself. That is a crucial difference. We cannot allow a President to abuse the powers of his office in order to serve himself, even if his supporters are willing to look the other way.
I understand it was believed the individual was acting as a terrorist in a foreign land, and having in effect thus revoked his American citizenship. The action was warranted by the belief that the action was protecting the loss of further innocent American lives.
It is notable that in a discussion of President Trump's failed action to investigate those who are rightly investigating him, that your focus has largely centered instead on President Obama. Is this a distraction from talking about the disgrace of President Trump? President Obama is not and never was impeached. President Trump is being impeached as we speak. President Trump's impeachment is the more relevant discussion to current politics.
I'm glad you've joined the discussions and have observed my request to keep things respectful. Civil debate is most welcome. Thank you. I look forward to more.
Everyone has political bias to some extent. It is up to each of us to recognize it and try to see beyond it. Obama's action there could certainly be seen as obstruction. But I don't see it as serious enough to warrant impeachment. And apparently Congress did not think so either as no impeachment inquiry was passed. If you are attempting to establish that this means obstruction of Congress is now OK, possibly attempting to establish that two wrongs make a right, then I disagree. There are degrees of seriousness to misconduct. In Obama's case the fast and furious operation was an attempt to serve the Constitution and track the criminals through their weapons. It was ill conceived and went awry, but their hearts were in the right place and they were attempting to serve their country in the best way they could. In the case of President Trump is has become obvious that he was serving himself. That is a crucial difference. We cannot allow a President to abuse the powers of his office in order to serve himself, even if his supporters are willing to look the other way.
I understand it was believed the individual was acting as a terrorist in a foreign land, and having in effect thus revoked his American citizenship. The action was warranted by the belief that the action was protecting the loss of further innocent American lives.
It is notable that in a discussion of President Trump's failed action to investigate those who are rightly investigating him, that your focus has largely centered instead on President Obama. Is this a distraction from talking about the disgrace of President Trump? President Obama is not and never was impeached. President Trump is being impeached as we speak. President Trump's impeachment is the more relevant discussion to current politics.
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PoliTalker
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Hello FastLane,
The House is the best representation of the current direction of the country. The composition of the House is the result of the most recent general election and will of the American people. There is no electoral college to reverse the popular vote in the House, which is why Democrats prevailed in recoil to the onslaught of President Trump's hateful, distasteful and objectionable politics.
The impeachment has been conducted under the utmost of official proceedings with zero violations and is completely in accordance with the Constitution of the United States of America.
Republicans are free to try to subpoena whomever they wish in the Senate trial but the decision to allow it will be up to Chief Justice Roberts.
The House is the best representation of the current direction of the country. The composition of the House is the result of the most recent general election and will of the American people. There is no electoral college to reverse the popular vote in the House, which is why Democrats prevailed in recoil to the onslaught of President Trump's hateful, distasteful and objectionable politics.
The impeachment has been conducted under the utmost of official proceedings with zero violations and is completely in accordance with the Constitution of the United States of America.
Republicans are free to try to subpoena whomever they wish in the Senate trial but the decision to allow it will be up to Chief Justice Roberts.
PoliTalker
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Hello FastLane,
That's conjecture, and it has nothing to do with President Trump's improper investigation of the investigators who rightly investigated him for wrongdoing.
He wasn't in America.
That's conjecture, and it has nothing to do with President Trump's improper investigation of the investigators who rightly investigated him for wrongdoing.
I agree with you the guy was a slim ball but in America were don't kill Americans without a trial. You know the Constitution frowns on that kind of thing.
He wasn't in America.
PoliTalker
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And I do not view this impeachment lite attempt to be legitimate either. And Trump's refusal to voluntarily cooperate is CERTAINLY not Obstruction of Congress. If Congress had taken their subpoenas to court and the court agreed with them and then Trump refused well THEN and ONLY THEN Congress might have a point. They did not do that so there is no Obstruction of Congress. Untill Congress goes to court and the court enforces the subpoenas and Trump continues to refuse to comply do not talk to me about Obstruction of Congress charges.
That is because a Republican Congress did not stoop to trying to use impeachment to damage Obama to win a political advantage like the Dems are now doing. Its sad they are sucking you in. You seem like a semi reasonable person.
As I have said No ignoring a court ruling on Congress'subpoena no Obstruction of Congress.
Obama was applying Executive Privilege to Fast and Furious an illegal operation that got people killed that Obama said he had no knowledge of. Think about that. Its certainly obstructing Congress' oversight duty.
Show me the law. Link Required
So we are left with the phone call. EVEN the Dems don't think the call constituted a Quid Pro Quo or Bribery. Why did I say that? BECAUSE there is no impeachment charge for that. So the Dems were lying to you AGAIN. I have read the phone call I have watched the stacked deck joke hearings and I agree with Turley an Dershowitz there is no case for impeachment. This whole thing was nothing but a bastardization of the impeachment process to weaken Trump because the Dems don't think they can beat him in 2020. They are abusing their power.
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No he wasn't but he was an American citizen with ALL of the Constitutional protections that it provides them and the SCOTUS has ruled those protections do not sop at the waters edge. YOU SHOW ME THE LAW that allowed Obama to murder him without a trial and I'll shut up about it. Until then you are on the hook.
And destroyed in post 46
Such a well thought out and thoughtful post . :rollseyes:
The Dems currently hold the House by a slim margin but the White House AND the Senate are held by the GOP and they so also reflect the will of the people. That is why the Senate will REJECT removal from office.
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It when against the principle of DUE PROCESS something that every citicizen should be provided. He we even give illegal immigrants in our borders due process. but Sack of Schiff denied it to Trump as did Humpty Dumpty Nadeler. That has enraged Trump's base and with back fire on the Dems in 2020.
Let's hope they do. Or better yet let's hope they go straight to a vote and can the whole things.
I suppose that you're going to tell me what a hero Barr is.
PoliTalker
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Hello FastLane,
Since the substance of this impeachment has to do with foreign intervention into an American election, and fighting a subpoena in court could take a longer period of time than the time until the election, it is pointless to fight it like that. President Trump is the first President to refuse to cooperate at all with an impeachment. His action is unprecedented. The next election must be conducted without foreign intervention so the impeachment cannot wait until after that election. Our democracy is at stake.
The ploy of attempting to drag the impeachment out in court until beyond the 2020 election has been called.
Congress has the authority to subpoena. Executive privilege is not absolute.
An oversight duty Republicans are now dangerously overlooking.
President Trump is in serious danger of losing the 2020 election. His polling indicates less approval now than when he was elected. This is a classic case of Republicans accusing Democrats of what the Republicans are actually guilty of. It is President Trump who feared he will lose the 2020 election to Joe Biden, so President Trump has illegally solicited foreign intervention into American elections, and he is being impeached for doing that.
Since the substance of this impeachment has to do with foreign intervention into an American election, and fighting a subpoena in court could take a longer period of time than the time until the election, it is pointless to fight it like that. President Trump is the first President to refuse to cooperate at all with an impeachment. His action is unprecedented. The next election must be conducted without foreign intervention so the impeachment cannot wait until after that election. Our democracy is at stake.
The ploy of attempting to drag the impeachment out in court until beyond the 2020 election has been called.
Congress has the authority to subpoena. Executive privilege is not absolute.
An oversight duty Republicans are now dangerously overlooking.
President Trump is in serious danger of losing the 2020 election. His polling indicates less approval now than when he was elected. This is a classic case of Republicans accusing Democrats of what the Republicans are actually guilty of. It is President Trump who feared he will lose the 2020 election to Joe Biden, so President Trump has illegally solicited foreign intervention into American elections, and he is being impeached for doing that.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello FastLane,
Sounds good to me. Let the Senate Republicans be on record of conducting a rushed vote without debate, which will inevitably show their strong prejudice.
And let the Democrats impeach Trump again and often.
There is no double jeopardy for impeachment because it is not a criminal trial. President Trump could even be impeached again for the same exact offense, or others. I think impeachment plays well in the news cycle. For once the news is not whatever Trump decides to tweet about.
Sounds good to me. Let the Senate Republicans be on record of conducting a rushed vote without debate, which will inevitably show their strong prejudice.
And let the Democrats impeach Trump again and often.
There is no double jeopardy for impeachment because it is not a criminal trial. President Trump could even be impeached again for the same exact offense, or others. I think impeachment plays well in the news cycle. For once the news is not whatever Trump decides to tweet about.
Barr is acting so far outside the norms of the AG, that he should be investigated. He sees his job as being Trump's Cohn. He is doing whatever trump wants, regardless of the law and long-standing protocols. He is so blatant, that he is an embarrassment. He is as bad an AG as Lindsey is a Senator.
Not unless you try to run him down.
A matter this important can't be rushed. The OFFICE of the Presidency has to be protected for the next occupant. This is a issue of separation of powers w have three branches not two. The courts would have accelerated a matter of this importance. Again there is no case for Obstruction of Congress so don't even try to discuss it with me. It's a moot subject.
Absolutely! But Congress' subpoenas aren't absolute either. So a court has to decide any dispute between the Legislative branch and the Executive branch. Congress did not do that so they have NOTHING to whine about. And neither do you.
Not at all. The Republicans disagree with the Democrats. And some Democrats agreed with the Republicans. No Republicans agreed with the Democrats.
Polls have Trump winning key battle ground states. This impeachment is actually helping Trump. Naw Trump was trying to root out Biden's corruption as he obligated to do by treaty law. Do you really want to put Biden in as President when you KNOW he did a quid pro quo with a billion of our dollars? I don't , Biden is dirty and should never see the inside of the oval office again Congressman Green even said we have to impeach Trump or he will win in 2020
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