Doing absolutely nothing? Horseshit! Both of these people work very hard and they have talents for which there is a demand. It's pure envy and people are jealous of them.
Barry, just say you misspoke
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Doing absolutely nothing? Horseshit! Both of these people work very hard and they have talents for which there is a demand. It's pure envy and people are jealous of them.
gonzojournals
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They don't do tens of millions of dollars of work. As I said, they can get paid whatever people are willing to pay them-- fine with me. But don't feed me that line that they deserve what they are paid (especially compared to the salaries of essential personnel like teachers/police/firefighters).
Fine with you, yet you buy into this notion that your or others normative judgment on what they deserve has some validity. What they deserve is what others are willing to pay them for services they agree to provide.
Socrtease
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I am SOOOO tired of hear people whine their asses off over clinton. There is a reason he was disbarred for obstruction and not tried for perjury. Because he did not perjure himself. Here we go ago trying to teach the thick of head the difference between lying under oath and perjury. Perjury is testimony, under oath of a (and here is the MOST IMPORTANT PART) material fact, by a person who has sworn or affirmed that the testimony will be true, and at the time given was knowingly false.
Bill Clinton was asked about a CONSENTUAL relationship between himself and another adult during a deposition involving allegations of sexual harrassment in the workplace.
EVERY SINGLE federal court of appeals that has had to deal with consentual relationships in sexual harrassment cases has held that under Federal Rules of Evidence rule 401, evidence of a consentual relationship does not prove discrimination, nor can it be used to show propensity to engage in a relationship that violates Title VII.
Therefore, evidence that does not come in under the rules of evidence cannot, by it's very nature, be MATERIAL. If it is not material then lying about it CANNOT be perjury.
Example: If I am on the stand and the lawyer asks me my age and I tell her that I am 35 when in fact I am one month away from my 42d birthday, it can only be perjury IF my age is a material fact in the case. If the case is about the scar on my left arm and my age is no relevant to whether or not have a scar on my left arm then it is NOT perjury but can be obstuction or can be used to show that I lie under oath about shit that matters not so what else would I lie about. That is the lie goes to my overall credibility as a witness.
What Clinton's lawyers SHOULD have done, was called for a brief break in the deposition, had someone call the judge and tell them they had a matter to discuss infront of the judge, told the judge that the question HAD to be intended to embarass the president, as even Paula Jones lawyers MUST know that that sort of question is in admissble, and asked for a ruling and if the judge said he had to answer, asked for a gag order and that she impose sancitons if the parties divulge the answers.
But the fact that Clinton lied about a blow job, as much as you sad people still wish it would almost a decade later, was NEVER perjury.
Sarcasm isn't whining. If you knew me you would know I thought that the whole Clinton thing was first a huge waste of time and energy, second a distraction from problems of actual value to the nation to solve. I believe that it was the beginning of the downfall fo the RR. It appeared to be an ascension, but it really was the spike before the decline.
Socrtease
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I didn't think you were whining per se but I was pretty sure the whining was about to commence. The whole perjury thing just kills me. People hated that man so much that refused to see reason. The Republicans were floored in 1992 that they had lost the presidency. They had become sure that the Democratic party was dead. Hell you heard the same thing from them after several election cycles and they had not gained seats in the HoR. How they were irrelevant and in the last throws as a party. So when Clinton took the office that Saint Ronald de Simi had occupied the Republicans were sure there was wrong doing and they were going to bring that president down no matter what.
Does anyone remember that the WHOLE investigation was about a failed land deal in Arkansas? Does ANYONE question what the Special prosecutor was doing telling private attorneys in a sexual harrasment suit that they had evidence of an affair in the White House? Ken Starr had NO BUSINESS speaking to Paula "Huge Nose" Jones' attorneys about a civil deposition in a sexual harrassment law suit.
Wow RS wrote a post I can agree with.
I don't hate them at all. Maybe this a personal problem on your part?
Yes I remember all of those things, thanks for mentioning them for others though.
Thorn
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Nor do I -- in fact I love baseball. Those salaries simply are a reflection of what we (universal "we", here) value as a society. If people are prepared to lay out the cash that supports these salaries I don't see how the athletes, and entertainers of all sorts, for that matter, can be criticized for accepting them.
Absolutely.
The only reservation I have on that, is the use of local taxes to build stadiums and its contribution to their salaries (though that is likely small).