Because all humans are made in the image of God…

Cypress said:
The Jefferson memorial was built in the 20th century by people who were not eyewitnesses to Thomas Jefferson.

Typically only Kings and Emperors are important enough to have coins and monuments in the archeological record.

According to your worldview, we would have to completely abandon the study of ancient history for all historical figures who didn't have coins or monuments, and didn't have a biography written by a firsthand eyewitness.
Click to expand...
I think Jesus would be happy if you forgot about him and only remembered his golden rule.

:truestory:
 
Cypress said:
You've never seen a mountain range rise up from the plain, you've never seen a fully formed star be created from a nebular cloud, you never saw the Big Bang, you never saw North America split off from Europe by plate tectonic forces.

But in general you accept the scientific explanation of these things based on our understanding of geological and astronomical evidence.

The only reason you refuse to accept descent with modification by natural selection and genetic mutation is because you just have an emotional agenda to not want to believe it.
Click to expand...
why can't you accept the evolution of genes?
 
Cypress said:
You've never seen a mountain range rise up from the plain, you've never seen a fully formed star be created from a nebular cloud, you never saw the Big Bang, you never saw North America split off from Europe by plate tectonic forces.

But in general you accept the scientific explanation of these things based on our understanding of geological and astronomical evidence.

The only reason you refuse to accept descent with modification by natural selection and genetic mutation is because you just have an emotional agenda to not want to believe it.
Click to expand...

We have witnessed the growth of mountains. Through tectonic plate collisions, mountains like the Himalayas grow at rates of several millimeters per year, or up to 0.4 inches annually.​


North America and Europe are separating at about one inch a year.​


Astronomers Witness Birth of New Star from Stellar Explosion​


AGAIN we have had billions and billions and billions of generations and you cannot show me a single individual that has changed from one family of animals into another one. And yet you believe that process has happened millions of times at least if not billions. That is statistically impossible.



Again show me one genetic substitution in man that does not lead to disease.
 
Cypress said:
The Jefferson memorial was built in the 20th century by people who were not eyewitnesses to Thomas Jefferson.
Click to expand...
Exactly.

Cypress said:
According to your worldview,
Click to expand...
You don't know my world view. How are you going to accurately represent it?

Cypress said:
we would have to completely abandon the study of ancient history for all historical figures who didn't have coins or monuments,
Click to expand...
Nope.

Cypress said:
and didn't have a biography written by a firsthand eyewitness.
Click to expand...
Incorrect.
 
FastLane said:

We have witnessed the growth of mountains. Through tectonic plate collisions, mountains like the Himalayas grow at rates of several millimeters per year, or up to 0.4 inches annually.​


North America and Europe are separating at about one inch a year.​


Astronomers Witness Birth of New Star from Stellar Explosion​


AGAIN we have had billions and billions and billions of generations and you cannot show me a single individual that has changed from one family of animals into another one. And yet you believe that process has happened millions of times at least if not billions. That is statistically impossible.



Again show me one genetic substitution in man that does not lead to disease.
Click to expand...
Your article doesn't say they literally saw a fully-formed star form out of nebular gas. That process takes hundreds of thousands of years.

Measuring a few inches of tectonic motion is not equivalent to seeing South America separate itself from Africa by thousands of miles.

You are accepting the kind of incremental and inferential evidence for geology and astronomy that you totally reject for evolution by natural selection.

That's because you have emotional and religious reasons to hold evolution to a different standard than the other sciences.
 
FastLane said:
That is not what the scripture says. Evolution is statistically impossible.
Click to expand...
Here's the problem with your position: you don't know what Darwin's theory of Evolution states.

As such, you have no idea that you agree with all of it. If I were to ask you "With what specific part of Darwin's theory do you disagree?", you would have no choice but to respond "All of it" because you don't know any part of it and you won't learn it. If I were to ask you "What part of Darwin's theory is statistically impossible?" you would select something that is not part of Darwin's theory, because you don't know what Darwin's theory is, and thus you don't realize that you agree with all of it.

You are going to run into a brick wall on this one.
 
Cypress said:
That's because you have emotional and religious reasons to hold evolution to a different standard than the other sciences.
Click to expand...
Darwin's theory of Evolution is not science and he is not required to subscribe to it. If you weren't so scientifically illiterate, you'd stand a greater chance of knowing what science is.
 
IBDaMann said:
Here's the problem with your position: you don't know what Darwin's theory of Evolution states.

As such, you have no idea that you agree with all of it. If I were to ask you "With what specific part of Darwin's theory do you disagree?", you would have no choice but to respond "All of it" because you don't know any part of it and you won't learn it. If I were to ask you "What part of Darwin's theory is statistically impossible?" you would select something that is not part of Darwin's theory, because you don't know what Darwin's theory is, and thus you don't realize that you agree with all of it.

You are going to run into a brick wall on this one.
Click to expand...
Nope I believe in adaptation I don't believe one family of animals can evolve into another family of animals. If one family of animals has evolved into another family of animals millions and millions of times . Why can't we point to a single example of it occurring today despite billions of billions of billions of life cycles. The Earth is only about 4 billion years old there simply is not time for a complex organism like man to randomly evolve.
 
FastLane said:

We have witnessed the growth of mountains. Through tectonic plate collisions, mountains like the Himalayas grow at rates of several millimeters per year, or up to 0.4 inches annually.​


North America and Europe are separating at about one inch a year.​


Astronomers Witness Birth of New Star from Stellar Explosion​


AGAIN we have had billions and billions and billions of generations and you cannot show me a single individual that has changed from one family of animals into another one. And yet you believe that process has happened millions of times at least if not billions. That is statistically impossible.



Again show me one genetic substitution in man that does not lead to disease.
Click to expand...
To be clear we do not 'witness' any of those things despite how it is stated. We 'measure' and 'determine' and 'verify' which is also what we do with regards to the evolution of species.

I have not followed the conversation in this chat but are you saying we have no examples, on this planet, of evolutionary change in animal species, that in a similar way to how we 'witness mountain growth, etc', can be measured and demonstrated similarly in science?

Because you would be very wrong if that is what you are asserting.
 
FastLane said:
There are multiple first hand accounts of Jesus in the Bible.
Click to expand...
At best, most of the attestations of Jesus' life, ministry, and resurrection are not from eyewitnesses, but from people who interrogated the eyewitnesses. Paul, Luke, Mark, Polycarp, Clement, Ignatius. That makes them secondary sources. That is a perfectly legitimate historical source criterion.

Mathew and John are the only apostles who can possibly be linked to the gospels bearing their names.
 
Cypress said:
At best, most of the attestations of Jesus' life, ministry, and resurrection are not from eyewitnesses, but from people who interrogated the eyewitnesses. Paul, Luke, Mark, Polycarp, Clement, Ignatius. That makes them secondary sources. That is a perfectly legitimate historical source criterion.

Mathew and John are the only apostles who can possibly be linked to the gospels bearing their names.
Click to expand...
Matthew, John, Peter, and possibly James (Jesus's brother) and Jude (also his brother);met Jesus
 
QP! said:
are you saying we have no examples, on this planet, of evolutionary change in animal species, that in a similar way to how we 'witness mountain growth, etc', can be measured and demonstrated similarly in science?
Click to expand...
That is exactly the kind of spin he is attempting. He is accepting partial, incomplete, inferential evidence for the geologic and astronomical sciences.

But he is holding evolution by natural selection to a different standard, and not accepting logical inference and partial data as legitimate.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top