Being poor

leaningright said:
Darla, I have mixed feelings about this. I really think the same way but wonder sometimes if I should. I wouldn't do it. Being raised poor and turning out OK makes me think that someone else deserves the same shot, whether it is at being a poor parent or the child being raised by poor parents who are also loving.

If my dad hadn't enlisted in the Army and gotten us some medical care (the youngest of 5, I was sick a lot as a child) I don't know if we would have ever gotten out of the situation we were in. But he had to be gone a lot (Germany, Korea and Vietnam) and my mom had to be strong to keep 5 kids in line. It was tough on her and I don't suppose all women could do it.
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I just can't stand the thought of babies being born and then being hungry. But I'm not saying poor people shouldn't have children. Just that maybe you should get yourself a trade, and know that you can afford food before you do. Maybe some clothing, you know?
 
Love can make up for material things, but the reality is that, most of the time, when you're poor, you're irritable, stressed & bitter, and that often tends to project itself outward to those around you. Most poor children probably do not grow up in the most loving environments.

Poverty is a real drag....
 
Desh said:
I have to admitt I stole food from a couple of my early jobs.

I felt like shit and stopped after a couple of times. When you are a kid and very poor it is so much more tempting to try and take something. You see all those god damned comercials with everyone so happy with their Stuff. You get really tired of everyone else having and you not having. I never stole from a person but I did shop lift (I think it was makeup) once. I ended up giving it away because I didnt want to look at it anymore.

Poor works on you , many of you just cant know.
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You’re right Desh I can’t know what it’s like, but I don’t judge anyone who is hungry for stealing food. Christ, the biggest food manufacturers in this country are the real thieves, and we are subsidizing them with our tax money anyway, so for the part of those tax dollars that are mine, I say, it’s fine with me.
 
I was also poor and never stole anything.
"Stealing meat"? Are you serious, obviously you have never been poor Desh. You have low cash at the grocery store and you buy a lot of pasta, you don't steal meat. Who the fuck does that? Like no one and I lived in the poorest neighborhood around.
 
Onceler said:
Love can make up for material things, but the reality is that, most of the time, when you're poor, you're irritable, stressed & bitter, and that often tends to project itself outward to those around you. Most poor children probably do not grow up in the most loving environments.

Poverty is a real drag....
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Yeah.
 
leaningright said:
Darla, I have mixed feelings about this. I really think the same way but wonder sometimes if I should. I wouldn't do it. Being raised poor and turning out OK makes me think that someone else deserves the same shot, whether it is at being a poor parent or the child being raised by poor parents who are also loving.

If my dad hadn't enlisted in the Army and gotten us some medical care (the youngest of 5, I was sick a lot as a child) I don't know if we would have ever gotten out of the situation we were in. But he had to be gone a lot (Germany, Korea and Vietnam) and my mom had to be strong to keep 5 kids in line. It was tough on her and I don't suppose all women could do it.
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More points I agree with .
Very good.
 
Its not like the happy but poor stuff from our past. 75 years ago you could have chickens inour back yard and help the neighbor in exhange for the extra milk from their cow.

Today there is none of the food staples you can do that way.
 
I consider raising a child like desh reported as child abuse. I would never do that, I'd do what it took to make sure they had at least what they needed.
 
Liberano said:
I was also poor and never stole anything.
"Stealing meat"? Are you serious, obviously you have never been poor Desh. You have low cash at the grocery store and you buy a lot of pasta, you don't steal meat. Who the fuck does that? Like no one and I lived in the poorest neighborhood around.
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Where the hell did I say anything about stealling meat?


Oh and buy the way there IS a reason why they put the meat in the back of the GS. It is one of the most shop lifted iteam in a GS.
 
Topspin said:
I consider raising a child like desh reported as child abuse. I would never do that, I'd do what it took to make sure they had at least what they needed.
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All of my brothers and sisters are better more successful people than you top.
 
Let me add a few:

Being Poor is talking walks through the neighborhood each night looking for aluminum cans to turn in for money.

Being poor is wearing re-useable diapers, and washing them in the stream.

Being poor means Dad's cooking his nasty pizza tonight with Grandma's old dough and Grandma's homegrown Tomato's turned into a sauce. ValuTime cheese tastes horrible on Pizza, but it was Friday's meal!
 
Liberano said:
I was also poor and never stole anything.
"Stealing meat"? Are you serious, obviously you have never been poor Desh. You have low cash at the grocery store and you buy a lot of pasta, you don't steal meat. Who the fuck does that? Like no one and I lived in the poorest neighborhood around.
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Who cares Dano? You want a medal? Maybe you were too stupid to steal the food and not get caught, but just smart enough to know it. Whatever. You always have to hit people in their lowest part. Totally straight up, I’m not the slightest bit impressed. I am impressed by a survivor. If you have to steal to survive and you can do it? Whatever it takes.

We live in a society that places moral judgements against poor people for stealing a freaking piece of meat, and tells them, go hungry today as long as you are “moral” you will be rewarded in the afterlife, while rewarding lying, cheating, stealing, and completely amoral corporations and ceos of those corporations, and they get rewarded in this life, not some nebulous next one.
Nothing pisses me off more than that faux moral outrage.
 
Topspin said:
I consider raising a child like desh reported as child abuse. I would never do that, I'd do what it took to make sure they had at least what they needed.
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and yet you claim to have been raised poor.....

Why do you hate your mother ?
 
Mom had a college degree you which is more than you have you moron.
They were both killed in a car wreck when I was 7
 
DigitalDave said:
Let me add a few:

Being Poor is talking walks through the neighborhood each night looking for aluminum cans to turn in for money.

Being poor is wearing re-useable diapers, and washing them in the stream.

Being poor means Dad's cooking his nasty pizza tonight with Grandma's old dough and Grandma's homegrown Tomato's turned into a sauce. ValuTime cheese tastes horrible on Pizza, but it was Friday's meal!
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Yep, I remember riding on my bike looking for cans and bottles to get money back for. Of course you'd just blow the money on candy but it was fun.
 
Topspin said:
Mom had a college degree you which is more than you have you moron.
They were both killed in a car wreck when I was 7
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I am very sorry to hear that Top.

I really think you should look into some counciling about your hostility towards people. I think you may have issues of anger which you were probably never allowed to express reguarding your feelings of abandonment by your parents.

I am really not trying to be mean here Dude Im trying to be honest.

All logic tells anyone that they did not abandon you but people are emotional beings. We have a tendancy to intellectualize some situations in our lives and gloss over the feelings. When my father died I thought I was over his treatment of me as a child. I thought I had forgiven him and all was fine. I then was sent on a emotional journey I was not expecting. I found myself angry as hell and like a light bulb turned on I realised I was also angry at my mother for not protecting me from his insane treatment of me.

Toppy as a child that age you have emotions that can not be quelled by logic. The child inside you is still abondoned until it is allowed to go to a safe place and vent these feelings. I sugest a couple of short months with a maybe a grief counselor.

You will be amazed at the relief you can have.
 
My father father was an abusive alcoholic unemployed ww2 vet. My father He decided to work hard to get out of that lifestyle... going to military.. going thru school. When I was born we lived on campus housing at college and with 2 kids pilled into a vw rabbit. He built up himself to middle class over the years and told me now its your turn to move us to the next level.

Why cant poor people stop being poor?
1) A percent of them are not intelligent enough to
2) Perhaps a medical condition?
3) And by far the biggest… laziness

I feel bad for #1 and #2 and want to help them.

I loath #3
 
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