Biden aides find second batch of classified documents at new location

T. A. Gardner said:
Trump as the Chief Executive decides the procedure. I showed the "official" one is based on an executive order by... Wait for it...


THE PRESIDENT!

I think it's frivolous and stupid that Trump would just handwave a bunch of classified documents as unclassified but he can. I also think it's incredibly, absurdly, stupid some of the stuff that gets classified.

For example, this document that was originally classified "Secret," later downgraded to "Confidential," and then finally declassified.

https://www.theblackvault.com/docum...-richard-mcmullen-adc-historical-study-no-12/

That's an example of gross overkill on classifying documents. "Confidential" might have been warranted at one time, but "Secret?" no fucking way! Aircraft procurement decisions about publicly known models of military aircraft, doesn't warrant a "secret" classification.
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If they were truly "declassified" then why did twump lie about returning them? Why did he claim "The FBI planted evidence"?

Sorry, man. You're just wrong.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/01/politics/fact-check-trump-claims-fbi-search/index.html

"Facts First: Trump and his team have not provided any proof that Trump actually conducted some sort of broad declassification of the documents that ended up at Mar-a-Lago – and, so far, his lawyers notably have not argued in their court filings that Trump did so. Eighteen former top Trump administration officials, including two former White House chiefs of staff who spoke on the record, told CNN in August that they never heard of a standing Trump declassification order when they were serving in the administration and that they now believe the claim is false. The former officials used words like “ludicrous,” “ridiculous” and “bullsh*t.”"
 
LurchAddams said:
No. twump didn't go through the declassification process. Whether you're president or not you have to go through the declassification process.

Let's not forget also, twump lied about returning them. They were neither his nor were they "declassified".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...terview-fox-news-mar-a-lago-documents-thought

"The judge carrying out the review, Raymond Dearie, this week told Trump lawyers they must provide evidence documents in question were declassified – or he will presume they were not.

Dearie said: “I guess my view of it is, you can’t have your cake and eat it.”

Trump has consistently claimed he declassified the documents by presidential fiat, whether physically, by taking them to the White House residence, verbally or, he now claims, by the power of telepathy alone.

“In other words, when I left the White House, they were declassified,” he told Hannity.

Experts doubt it. In August, Steven Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists, a secrecy specialist, told the New York Times: “Hypothetical questions like ‘What if a president thinks to himself that something is declassified? Does that change its status?’ are so speculative that their practical meaning is negligible."
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I listed the official process. It's by Executive Order, that any subsequent President can change on a whim.

https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html
 
Just read that Garland appointed a Special Prosecutor to investigate these found documents... I am very glad, good call.
 
This much worse than Trump. Trump knew where the documents were and they were in a safe place. Joe forgot were the documents were, in an uncontrolled location.

hidenbiden didn’t have declassification authority.
 
Jarod said:
Just read that Garland appointed a Special Prosecutor to investigate these found documents... I am very glad, good call.
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Yes, not only will he investigate Biden, it will give added credibility to Jack Smith’s investigations. The Trumpublicans can’t squawk anymore, although, I feel, they probably will.
 
Jarod said:
PUBLIC DARE.....




Im Calling the IDIOTS OUT!


IF YOU CAN, POST ANY REASONABLE STORY CITING ANY FACT THAT BIDEN KNEW THE DOCUMENTS WERE AT THE OFFICE HE FORMERLY USED TWO YEARS AGO... ANYTHING SHOWING HE PUT THEM THERE... OR ANYTHIGN SHOWING HE TRIED TO HIDE THEM!
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Hey dumb sloppy cunt, the second set of documents were in the GARAGE OF HIS FUCKING HOME HE FUCKING STILL LIVES IN YOU SMEGMA LICKING PIECE OF SHIT.
 
The "Biden situation is worse than what Trump did" narrative is hilarious. Conservatives didn't even care about classified documents a few months ago.

I've even heard some Republicans say it's not nearly as bad as Trump's situation. But, they're both essentially the SAME situation - and both men are subject to the rule of law on this. Because we are, after all, a nation of laws.
 
LurchAddams said:
And the experts who know more than both you and I do disagree with you. So, I'll ask you again. If the documents were rightfully twump's why did he lie about returning them? Why did he claim the FBI planted them? Answer that, please.
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I showed you the legal means used to declassify things. It is an executive order. Trump had the authority to change that order at any time. While what I'm pointing out is a legal technicality, and I think it's the height of stupidity to just declassify things on a whim, Trump technically could do just that. Again, it's stupid and arrogant to do it and that he would.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I listed the official process. It's by Executive Order, that any subsequent President can change on a whim.

https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html
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It is also a bureaucratic process. Those involved in the paperwork have to be notified in writing. How is something classified or declassified if those who are using the paperwork are not notified? An executive order is paperwork. Trump held many up for cameras to show. He had no paperwork and did not declassify them. It is just the best lie he could come up with at the time.
 
Nordberg said:
It is also a bureaucratic process. Those involved in the paperwork have to be notified in writing. How is something classified or declassified if those who are using the paperwork are not notified?
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Yea, yea, bureaucrats hate when someone doesn't follow the established procedure. I get it. Been there, seen that. That doesn't change that as CEO, Trump could declassify something without following the process--yes, to the ire and hate of the bureaucrats that 'own' that process. As I've said, it's also pedantic, stupid, and arrogant that he would, but technically he can do it. Do I think it's smart? No. But Trump has no particular requirement to tell the lower level, underflunkies, what he's doing or thinking at any given time. Too bad for them. Maybe they should change their panties once in a while.

Trump declassifying things on a whim is stupid, not illegal.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I showed you the legal means used to declassify things. It is an executive order. Trump had the authority to change that order at any time. While what I'm pointing out is a legal technicality, and I think it's the height of stupidity to just declassify things on a whim, Trump technically could do just that. Again, it's stupid and arrogant to do it and that he would.
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I'll ask you one last time and then I'll accept your surrender.

If twump had the authority to declassify documents, "just by thinking about them", as he claimed, then why did he have his lawyers certify all had been returned and why did he lie about the FBI planting them?
 
Nordberg said:
It is also a bureaucratic process. Those involved in the paperwork have to be notified in writing. How is something classified or declassified if those who are using the paperwork are not notified? An executive order is paperwork. Trump held many up for cameras to show. He had no paperwork and did not declassify them. It is just the best lie he could come up with at the time.
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There are also documents that even the President can’t declassify by executive order, I believe nuclear secrets are classified as such. There is an extensive process for those documents.
 
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