Biden green lights funds for nationwide electric vehicle charging network.

[Legion]

Here are a whole host of reasons as well that I doubt you've ever thought about. EVs are far heavier that ICE cars due to the incredibly heavy batteries, which inevitably result in far more accidents and deaths. Add to that the number of EVs which will run out of charge and necessitate being put in a truck, which is both costly and time consuming.

https://sharemarketnews.net/energy/why-electric-vehicles-may-not-be-the-way-forward/

You quoted yourself?

 

[Joe Capitalist]

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[cancel2 2022]

What's wrong w/ a charging network?

Conservatives just knee-jerk oppose anything "green" now. It's a shame that all of that stuff became so political.

It's clear that you've have precious little knowledge of electrical grids and infrastructure. Who is going to pay the trillions and trillions of dollars needed to upgrade to smart grids? Of course you don't know, which is not in the least surprising.

 

[Celticguy]

If that was true we’d still be riding horses.

This how Capitalism and a free market works. Economic forces drive innovation. Those innovations start out as prototypes that have serious flaws. Increased demand for those innovations and continues development and improvement drive those technologies into mature technologies that have large markets and scale. Infrastructure supporting those technologies and the economic growth they provide.

Eventually other market forces come along and drive those technologies into new more efficient technologies that start, again, at the prototype development level until the technology is improved, matured and economy of scale reduces cost and efficiency.

You might as well go beat your head against the wall as to try to stop technological change and innovation.

There isn’t a major technology that in the last 150 years of the industrial Revolution where this hasn’t occurred and resisting market driven changes to technological development is an exercise in futility.

Eventually the modern innovations like e-cars will continue unabated and if the efficiencies, scalability and economic viability become proven then the free market will have spoken.

Eventually even these new and immature technologies that to become mature viable technologies will ultimately be replaced by other innovations which will go through the same process that e-cars are undergoing currently if proof of concept, prototype development, full scale implementation, improvement in design, efficiency, scalability, infrastructure development and maintenance, General acceptance and ultimately obsolescence.

So your railing against e-car development, regardless of whether it is political or otherwise is just plain silly. Your resisting change for the sake of resisting change.

E-cars have already passed through the proof of concept and prototype phase and are currently well into the commercial development and infrastructure phase and well on its way to the mature technology and and general acceptance phase.

If it reaches that phase then either you will have to accept that change as the prior technology will become obsolete and unavailable. Then at some time in the future another technology will render it obsolete.

I’ve test driven a Tesla Sportster and was seriously impressed and as long as the current situation with fossil fuels continues to drive market forces it will become a scalable mature technology which will dramatically reduce consumer cost and will gain wide General acceptance unless those market forces change. Which is unlikely.

Then you’ll have the choice of accepting those changes or walking,

po urbanites rely on mass transit because:
a. they cant afford cars
b. they have no place to PUT the cars they cant afford

 

[Legion]

I never claimed anything about the type of charging stations to be erected, honey pot

But you claimed this, cum gargler:

Most likely, less, depending on battery size, weather, and other factors.

So, what type of chargers is bungling Biden planning to install that will "most likely" take "less" time "depending on battery size, weather, and other factors"?

 

[Legion]

po urbanites rely on mass transit because: a. they cant afford cars b. they have no place to PUT the cars they cant afford

That's largely true, isn't it?

 

[Legion]

A level 3 charging station can charge a vehicle in about 20 minutes. Where did 8 hours come from?

Is bungling Biden planning to install Level Three charging stations nationwide at public expense, cum gargler?

 

[Legion]

250 mile long extension cords.

Thieves are already destroying public charging stations to get the copper wiring.

 

[Legion]

It'll go the way of Solyndra and Americans will have record high prices for gas.

I suspect that you'll be correct.

 

[Celticguy]

Floriduhfan appears to be insinuating that bungling Biden is going to install thousands of level 3 charging stations nationwide at public expense, doesn't she?

why yes he/she/it does appear to think that.
copper thieves will love it, illegal alien installers will love it, localities that have to see about getting sufficient power to feed these things probably wont. and if they dont get vandalized they will sit idle.

 

[Legion]

It's clear that you've have precious little knowledge of electrical grids and infrastructure. Who is going to pay the trillions and trillions of dollars needed to upgrade to smart grids? Of course you don't know, which is not in the least surprising.

Reminds me of another bartender. You know who I mean.

 

[cancel2 2022]

If that was true we’d still be riding horses.

This how Capitalism and a free market works. Economic forces drive innovation. Those innovations start out as prototypes that have serious flaws. Increased demand for those innovations and continues development and improvement drive those technologies into mature technologies that have large markets and scale. Infrastructure supporting those technologies and the economic growth they provide.

Eventually other market forces come along and drive those technologies into new more efficient technologies that start, again, at the prototype development level until the technology is improved, matured and economy of scale reduces cost and efficiency.

You might as well go beat your head against the wall as to try to stop technological change and innovation.

There isn’t a major technology that in the last 150 years of the industrial Revolution where this hasn’t occurred and resisting market driven changes to technological development is an exercise in futility.

Eventually the modern innovations like e-cars will continue unabated and if the efficiencies, scalability and economic viability become proven then the free market will have spoken.

Eventually even these new and immature technologies that to become mature viable technologies will ultimately be replaced by other innovations which will go through the same process that e-cars are undergoing currently if proof of concept, prototype development, full scale implementation, improvement in design, efficiency, scalability, infrastructure development and maintenance, General acceptance and ultimately obsolescence.

So your railing against e-car development, regardless of whether it is political or otherwise is just plain silly. Your resisting change for the sake of resisting change.

E-cars have already passed through the proof of concept and prototype phase and are currently well into the commercial development and infrastructure phase and well on its way to the mature technology and and general acceptance phase.

If it reaches that phase then either you will have to accept that change as the prior technology will become obsolete and unavailable. Then at some time in the future another technology will render it obsolete.

I’ve test driven a Tesla Sportster and was seriously impressed and as long as the current situation with fossil fuels continues to drive market forces it will become a scalable mature technology which will dramatically reduce consumer cost and will gain wide General acceptance unless those market forces change. Which is unlikely.

Then you’ll have the choice of accepting those changes or walking,

What's wrong with hydrogen/ammonia and fuel cells?

 

[Legion]

why yes he/she/it does appear to think that. copper thieves will love it, illegal alien installers will love it, localities that have to see about getting sufficient power to feed these things probably wont. and if they dont get vandalized they will sit idle.

Poor cum gargler.

Did you know she once asked this question during a discussion of kneeling for the national anthem?

They are all public events, so why is the anthem only played at professional sporting venues?

 

[Joe Capitalist]

If that was true we’d still be riding horses.

This how Capitalism and a free market works. Economic forces drive innovation. Those innovations start out as prototypes that have serious flaws. Increased demand for those innovations and continues development and improvement drive those technologies into mature technologies that have large markets and scale. Infrastructure supporting those technologies and the economic growth they provide.

Eventually other market forces come along and drive those technologies into new more efficient technologies that start, again, at the prototype development level until the technology is improved, matured and economy of scale reduces cost and efficiency.

You might as well go beat your head against the wall as to try to stop technological change and innovation.

There isn’t a major technology that in the last 150 years of the industrial Revolution where this hasn’t occurred and resisting market driven changes to technological development is an exercise in futility.

Eventually the modern innovations like e-cars will continue unabated and if the efficiencies, scalability and economic viability become proven then the free market will have spoken.

Eventually even these new and immature technologies that to become mature viable technologies will ultimately be replaced by other innovations which will go through the same process that e-cars are undergoing currently if proof of concept, prototype development, full scale implementation, improvement in design, efficiency, scalability, infrastructure development and maintenance, General acceptance and ultimately obsolescence.

So your railing against e-car development, regardless of whether it is political or otherwise is just plain silly. Your resisting change for the sake of resisting change.

E-cars have already passed through the proof of concept and prototype phase and are currently well into the commercial development and infrastructure phase and well on its way to the mature technology and and general acceptance phase.

If it reaches that phase then either you will have to accept that change as the prior technology will become obsolete and unavailable. Then at some time in the future another technology will render it obsolete.

I’ve test driven a Tesla Sportster and was seriously impressed and as long as the current situation with fossil fuels continues to drive market forces it will become a scalable mature technology which will dramatically reduce consumer cost and will gain wide General acceptance unless those market forces change. Which is unlikely.

Then you’ll have the choice of accepting those changes or walking,

the average re-charge time is said to be 8 hrs
Once again, Colic Guy has no fucking idea what he's talking about.

Superchargers deliver a consistent 72 kilowatts (kW) of power, even if another Tesla begins charging in an adjacent stall. This creates a predictable charging experience with an average Supercharging session lasting around 45-50 minutes

Is Tesla cheaper than gas?

Key takeaways. The Tesla Model X costs about $15.29 to fully charge, which comes out to about 4.5 cents per mile. The cost to operate an electric vehicle is substantially lower than the cost of a conventional gas powered car

 

[Celticguy]

That's largely true, isn't it?

thats why cities have busses. even if you are merely middle class you are not certain to have a car, thats why cities have taxis/ubers.

 

[Matt Dillon]

What's wrong with hydrogen/ammonia and fuel cells?

Isn't Lithium/Ion more efficient?

Granted they're rare minerals in short supply..do they really want to attempt this?

It requires gold, too.

I can think of different methods..Like a miniature diesel engine powering an electric motor.

 

[Legion]

What's wrong with hydrogen/ammonia and fuel cells?

Plenty, right now, but there's no reason to suspect those issues cannot be worked out.

Maybe they won't require massive amounts of materials under the control of the PRC.

That might explain why Beijing Biden prefers to push and fund EVs instead.

 

[Legion]

Isn't Lithium/Ion more efficient? Granted they're rare minerals in short supply..do they really want to attempt this? It requires gold, too.

Does this answer your questions?


China Dominates Global Battery Supply Chain

https://www.voanews.com/a/silicon-valley-technology_how-china-dominates-global-battery-supply-chain/6195257.html

 

[Matt Dillon]

Does this answer your questions?


China Dominates Global Battery Supply Chain

https://www.voanews.com/a/silicon-valley-technology_how-china-dominates-global-battery-supply-chain/6195257.html

Yeah, most Lithium is mined in China.

My good batteries were made in China.

 

[Legion]

Yeah, most Lithium is mined in China. My good batteries were made in China.

And who do we know who's reportedly beholden to Red China?