Big night for Democrats!

[Hawkeye10]

Now my real hope is that we get some real Progressive Democrats in those seats, and not just more of the same old machine guff. Time will tell, because it sure as hell isn't going to come from the POTUS elections.

Riiiight....

You aint this dumb.

Is anyone paying you for your soothing lies?

 

[Port Tack]

I'm still waiting for this enthusiastic list of support for the Biden Harris 2024 ticket... take your time...

Democrats don't need to hold rallies and jump up and down like a bunch of assholes to support their candidate. Plenty of Democrats have reservations with voting for someone 80 years old so Biden's approval rating is not the greatest but that is meaningless, they will all vote for him. Plenty of Republicans will vote for Biden simply because they realize the danger in Trump.

 

[Port Tack]

So you go from everyone in the Democratic Party wants Biden to step aside and let the other candidates run to NO ONE wants Biden to step aside, and there are NO OTHER candidates.

I am sure there are many Republicans who do not want Biden to get the nomination, but they have no say. Democrats are firmly behind Biden, and will nominate him. No one is forcing him to step aside, and there is no one lining up for him to step aside for.

trump will almost certainly win the Republican nomination, but trump is far weaker. There are a dozen candidates wanting trump to step aside.

I think Trumps support may begin to crash as soon as the guilty verdicts start rolling in, I just hope he is far enough ahead by the time they do that he has the nomination wrapped up.

 

[TOP]

Democrats don't need to hold rallies and jump up and down like a bunch of assholes to support their candidate. Plenty of Democrats have reservations with voting for someone 80 years old so Biden's approval rating is not the greatest but that is meaningless, they will all vote for him. Plenty of Republicans will vote for Biden simply because they realize the danger in Trump.

So no list....
He did finally manage to get a t-shirt on yesterday...so as Kamala says, He's alive...
However, the biggest concern...and reasons for not voting for him, are not his age...
He's a detriment and a danger to this country, and the entire world...especially these days...
It's not if he screws up...it's when, and how much damage will be done....Thankfully, they keep a pretty tight lid on him...

 

[Port Tack]

You're right, TOP, because she lives in NAVY BLUE Massachusetts.
It would be Midnight Blue if I had my way.

However, after Roe v. Wade fell, some blood red states outlawed just about all abortions,
and beyond that, some actually tried to arrest people coming back into the state
after getting abortions elsewhere.

So you're right, nobody is trying to force MY daughter,
age 46, and almost as beyond child bearing age as her mother,

but you know as well as I that other people's daughters are in more vulnerable positions.

Too many abortions?
Of course. By far.
Even if abortions don't bother one,
that ludicrously unnecessary strain on our medical resources is unjustifiable.

I wish that I were smart enough to think of how to encourage people to be more responsible--

not even exceptionally responsible--

even just as responsible as my very imperfect self
would be a pretty good improvement,

whether this board would believe it or not--

but with my reasonably decent 140 IQ [after all the punches to the head],

I'm clearly not.

Speaking of encouraging people to be more responsible, NOONE has done that better than organizations such as Planned Parenthood. Their educating and providing of birth control to those who could not afford or knew nothing about them has cut the number of abortions performed in this country by half or more. Those who are against abortions should be holding them up as shining examples of how to reduce the number of abortions performed. But no, simply because those who make the mistake of becoming pregnant are given their options, and abortion is one of them, they are despised by the right. PP will help those who don't want to get an abortion as well as those who do decide to take that route. Because of that, the right wants to defund or destroy such organizations without bothering to use their brains and realize that PP has done more to LOWER the number of abortions performed more than anyone or any thing.

It makes no sense, the "pro-life" movement would destroy PP if they could while the number of those procedures they seem to hate would then skyrocket. PP is not in the abortion business, they are in the help business and simply because in some instances that help may include abortion as an option, they are crucified by the right. A clear example that the right really doesn't give a shit about how many abortions are performed each year in this country.

 

[Port Tack]

Many unwanted pregnancies occur because birth control failed. The rubber broke. The woman was taking an antibiotic. The guy withdrew but they forgot about that little drip of semen when erection occurs. They're Catholic and believed the priest when he said that the rhythm method works. Despite what Toxic believes, they are not all the result of dumb irresponsible sluts, or chicks who don't want their cruise "ruined" by a preggo belly. Those are specious arguments straight from the forced-birther catechism.

You are right; some states have banned abortion after six weeks (when many women don't know they're pregnant). Some are trying to also criminalize anyone who helps someone -- drives her to another state, gives her the "abortion pills," or even pays for the procedure/medication. Some politicians -- like our brand new speaker of the house -- have advocated that women who have an abortion be convicted and sentenced to work houses.

That's their world, and it's being rejected state by state by rational, sane, freedom-loving citizens.

This made me think of DeSantis comment at the debate where he said he is sick of losing. I would have asked him what do you think would happen in Florida if you had the same vote Ohio just did after your asinine signing of a 6 week ban on abortions? Arizona is going to have a similar vote to Ohio's in next years election. I'd say that state is in the bag for Democrats!

 

[Phantasmal]

Not at all celebrating abortion. It’s unworthy of celebration as much to them as it is to you. They are celebrating the government being off their neck, so that if they or others are ever in a circumstance of wanting the choice of an abortion they can make the choice without it being a crime.

They are also in the position to receive life saving treatment without the fear of nearly dying when something goes wrong with the pregnancy. The stories of the women who could not receive care before they became fatally ill because they were carrying a non viable fetus were heart breaking.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Democrats don't need to hold rallies and jump up and down like a bunch of assholes to support their candidate. Plenty of Democrats have reservations with voting for someone 80 years old so Biden's approval rating is not the greatest but that is meaningless, they will all vote for him. Plenty of Republicans will vote for Biden simply because they realize the danger in Trump.

Add to that the issue of abortion. As we saw last year and again this week, (D)s who run on freedom of choice do well, and bring the (D) ticket with them. So even if Biden's personal approval rating is low, voter turnout next year will be heavy. (R)s like to pretend that young people aren't interested and energized. They are wrong. They may not prefer Biden, but they'll vote for him over whichever fascist the (R)s nominate.

 

[Port Tack]

Now my real hope is that we get some real Progressive Democrats in those seats, and not just more of the same old machine guff. Time will tell, because it sure as hell isn't going to come from the POTUS elections.

Depends on what you mean by progressive. If they are left wing extremists we sure don't need them. Right wing extremists are why that party is going down the tubes.

When it comes to healthcare and education I think Bernie Sanders is spot on, however, I also think if he had dropped out of the race in 2016 when it was obvious he was not going to win and backed Hillary we never would have had Trump. Not to mention the left wing extremist drives more Independant votes to the right than anything.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Speaking of encouraging people to be more responsible, NOONE has done that better than organizations such as Planned Parenthood. Their educating and providing of birth control to those who could not afford or knew nothing about them has cut the number of abortions performed in this country by half or more. Those who are against abortions should be holding them up as shining examples of how to reduce the number of abortions performed. But no, simply because those who make the mistake of becoming pregnant are given their options, and abortion is one of them, they are despised by the right. PP will help those who don't want to get an abortion as well as those who do decide to take that route. Because of that, the right wants to defund or destroy such organizations without bothering to use their brains and realize that PP has done more to LOWER the number of abortions performed more than anyone or any thing.

It makes no sense, the "pro-life" movement would destroy PP if they could while the number of those procedures they seem to hate would then skyrocket. PP is not in the abortion business, they are in the help business and simply because in some instances that help may include abortion as an option, they are crucified by the right. A clear example that the right really doesn't give a shit about how many abortions are performed each year in this country.

Well said, PT, well said.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

This made me think of DeSantis comment at the debate where he said he is sick of losing. I would have asked him what do you think would happen in Florida if you had the same vote Ohio just did after your asinine signing of a 6 week ban on abortions? Arizona is going to have a similar vote to Ohio's in next years election. I'd say that state is in the bag for Democrats!

Agree, see prior post about abortion being on the ticket in 2024.

DeSantis thought that his hateful "War on Woke" would play to the bigger national audience. He's spending millions to find out just how very wrong he is.

 

[QP!]

So you're realizing that abortion is now an "accepted" form of birth control... there's dancing in the streets.... I think that's so sad...

You lie a lot.

Why is it you do not try to be a better person by not deliberately lying so much? Is it because then you would have to accept how weak and wrong your arguments are?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

They are also in the position to receive life saving treatment without the fear of nearly dying when something goes wrong with the pregnancy. The stories of the women who could not receive care before they became fatally ill because they were carrying a non viable fetus were heart breaking.

Apparently forced-birthers like Toxic are okay with that "collateral damage." Ectopic pregnancies are not common, but they are also life-threatening medical emergencies. One of my friends almost died from one that had ruptured.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Depends on what you mean by progressive. If they are left wing extremists we sure don't need them. Right wing extremists are why that party is going down the tubes.

When it comes to healthcare and education I think Bernie Sanders is spot on, however, I also think if he had dropped out of the race in 2016 when it was obvious he was not going to win and backed Hillary we never would have had Trump. Not to mention the left wing extremist drives more Independant votes to the right than anything.

I slightly disagree here. We need the progressives to keep the DNC in general from trending more and more to the right. But IMO you are correct in that they tend to turn off moderate (D)s and independents.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

So no list....
He did finally manage to get a t-shirt on yesterday...so as Kamala says, He's alive...
However, the biggest concern...and reasons for not voting for him, are not his age...
He's a detriment and a danger to this country, and the entire world...especially these days...
It's not if he screws up...it's when, and how much damage will be done....Thankfully, they keep a pretty tight lid on him...

 

[QP!]

The only way Pres. Biden will decline to run is poor health. See, Toxic and the other MAGATs are confusing him with Trump. Trump runs for Trump. Trump will do *anything* to get back in our White House. He already instigated an insurrection and criminally pressured states to change their votes, as well as conspired to present fake electors.

Biden, on the other hand, actually cares about this country. He would step aside if he felt that he couldn't do the job of leading us. It's an alien concept to the RWNJs.

I think if Trump is out of the race, then Biden will drop out too.

Biden knows he presents a binary choice against Trump where Biden represents ethics, confidence, competence and Trump represents immortality, narcissism and incompetence. It makes it an easy choice for anyone not named TOP, who celebrates a lack of any ethics in her chosen cult leader.

 

[QP!]

Speaking of encouraging people to be more responsible, NOONE has done that better than organizations such as Planned Parenthood. Their educating and providing of birth control to those who could not afford or knew nothing about them has cut the number of abortions performed in this country by half or more. Those who are against abortions should be holding them up as shining examples of how to reduce the number of abortions performed. But no, simply because those who make the mistake of becoming pregnant are given their options, and abortion is one of them, they are despised by the right. PP will help those who don't want to get an abortion as well as those who do decide to take that route. Because of that, the right wants to defund or destroy such organizations without bothering to use their brains and realize that PP has done more to LOWER the number of abortions performed more than anyone or any thing.

It makes no sense, the "pro-life" movement would destroy PP if they could while the number of those procedures they seem to hate would then skyrocket. PP is not in the abortion business, they are in the help business and simply because in some instances that help may include abortion as an option, they are crucified by the right. A clear example that the right really doesn't give a shit about how many abortions are performed each year in this country.

What you say is accurate and true but also exposes the lie, or hidden agenda, of the pro life movement.

As you say, anyone simply against abortion should support and celebrate good education about sexual responsibility, including contraception education and access.

But this movement is a continuation or version of the Puritan Movement. Stopping all abortions is Step 2. Step 1 is ensuring sex is only engaged in for procreation, and every time sex is engaged nothing in the procreation stages is interrupted.

it really is as simple as that. They believe that if sex is engaged in, it must be tied to, or allowed to, without interruption proceed to child, if that is in process.

Monty Python mocked that in the Life of Brian,

, skit.

We giggle at it, as if over the TOP, but that religious nuttiness is deadly serious and if the religious can gain enough political power, they WILL attempt ALWAYS to enact it by force of law and criminalize every step that denies it.

 

[QP!]

I slightly disagree here. We need the progressives to keep the DNC in general from trending more and more to the right. But IMO you are correct in that they tend to turn off moderate (D)s and independents.

Plus the Progressive represent the future.

The young people, whether from left leaning or right leaning parties are trending more and more progressive than the prior generations and always have.

It is important for us, of older generations, not to deny our kids, grandkids and generations beyond the ability to shape the world they will inherit and live in.

 

[Phantasmal]

Apparently forced-birthers like Toxic are okay with that "collateral damage." Ectopic pregnancies are not common, but they are also life-threatening medical emergencies. One of my friends almost died from one that had ruptured.

My bestie almost died from one as well, and as a result, she never was able to have children, and this was with immediate emergency care.

 

[Phantasmal]

Democrats don't need to hold rallies and jump up and down like a bunch of assholes to support their candidate. Plenty of Democrats have reservations with voting for someone 80 years old so Biden's approval rating is not the greatest but that is meaningless, they will all vote for him. Plenty of Republicans will vote for Biden simply because they realize the danger in Trump.

Just like last time in 2020.